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  How many different kinds of land animals are there in the World? (Noah)

  by asilentone in

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  i just wonder if 2 of each kind of all the land animals can fit the ark?

  do you know how big the ark was?

  maybe someone should try to bring 2 animals of each kind in the ark to see if it is possible.

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  There are nearly 60,000 identified species of vertibrate animals and over 1.2 million species of invertibrate animal. There are nearly 300,000 species of plants, I am sure a hunge number which would not survive a flood. Then there are nearly 30,000 "other" species identified (lichens, fungi, and brown algae). So right now, identified, there are over 1.5 million species. Estimates for a real number of total species range from 5 million to 30 million.

  So could Noah have taken two of a kind int the arc, described as being 450 ft x 75 ft x 45 ft? The answer is clearly no.
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  If JWs would stop shunning - how many do you think would disappear

  by Albert Einstein in

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  if jws would stop shunning - how many do you think would disappear from meetings in 1 year?.

  my guess: 30%.

  albert.

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  viva

  Are we talking about leaving as in DAing, or simply not going. I could see 30% DAing, but as far as those who would simply stop going or seriously slack off if that threat went away, I bet it would be alot higher. Shunning does apply to DAed and DFed individuals, but is also used to some extnt with spiritually weak people in the informal practice of "marking" or even less formal than that. If shunning went away, it would be alright to be spiritually weak.

  Go to a Sunday meeting. The people that answer regurgitate at the WT study would stay and probably keep up thier attendance.
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  How does shunning work?

  by tympan in

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  can someone who knows please explain the nuts and bolts of shunning.

  i've never been df'd but half of my family has no contact with me at all.

  my sister even refused to answer the door when i called around once (only did it once).

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  Quite simply, shunning is a control mechanism. It can be effective in any situation where the network of people you associated with is limited to a certain group, like in a cult. If you break the rules of the cult, you are thrown out, and you are cut off the the network of people you knew. No association at all. The idea is that you will be devestated by the loss of your associates and do whatever is necessary to re-join the group (cult).

  JWs call it disfellowshipping and say it is to bring a person back to the true religion, but it is nothing more than a desperate attempt to control you.

  Now, you do not have to be disfellowshipped to be shunned by the JWs. If you haven't done anything to be disfellowshipped, you can still be "marked" as bad association, and other JWs are advised not to associate with you. This is a kind of informal shunning. There is no announcement that you are marked, there may be a special needs talk that indicates you are not a good associate by pointing to things you have done as wrong, without actually naming you. Or more frequently the word that you are "marked" spreads by word of mouth through the rumor mill that is the JW congregation.
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  Were there any Elders in your congregation that seemed to dislike you?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  there is an elder in my congregation who i feel dislikes me because i'm inactive and doesn't know what to do with me.

  he seems to go on his business as soon as i walk in.

  a couple of times as i was talking with a member of the congregation, he rudely interrupted my conversation and took the person by the shoulder and walked away as if his conversation was more important.. once i was talking to my mom( who is very sick and has many ailments but still makes it to some meetings)and this self-righteous elder walks right in our conversation and makes a rude comment about me in front of my mom.. this was the actual coversation we had to show you how self-righteous he is:.

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  In the last hall I attended there was one particullarly uneducated elder that would glare at me everytime education was mentioned.
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  Did Noah's Ark have a Bilge Pump?

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  all wooden ships leak to some extent, so what did noah do about the accumulation of water?.

  a bilge pump would have been essential.. did the noah's ark writer really know or have any experience about the construction of large wooden ships?.

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  Build a big box. 450 ft x 75 ft x 45 ft. I am sure it would have been very leaky, good thing the existence of mankind didn't really depend on it. And they didn't have room for balast. Every inch was packed with animals. You can tell by the instructions that the author didn't have the slightest clue about ships.
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  I am so sick of hearing the word "soon."

  by TooBad TooSad in

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  the use of the word "soon" at the kh is used so much by jw's.

  that it has almost turned into a "soon" doctrine.. i counted the word soon 15 times at the meeting yesterday during the.

  public talk and wt.

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  Soon, a completely arbitrary term.

  My brother made an emotional plea for me to go back to the JWs because the end is coming soon. I reminded him that we had been told that since we were children, our parents were told that, our grandparents were told that. I asked him when he would accept that the end was not coming, when would we be able to resume a relationship as brothers? 20 years? 30 years? When he is on his deathbed? Unfortunately I doubt he will ever admit that the end is not coming "soon".
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  The dumbest or funniest thing you heard in a talk???I

  by tympan in

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  dumbest:.

  once in a public talk i heard the speaker say that you get sunburnt more easily when you are in the mountains because you are closer to the sun.. .

  funniest:.

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  That science and the bible agree.
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  good analogy

  by jam in

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  iam sure many of you here have heard this comment when you were a jw..is this a good analogy to prove.

  creationism?

  if you have a automobile that have not been assemble how long will it take without any.

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  Ummm...so who created your creator?

  Reminds me of: Can't understand science? Try religion.

  If you can't fathom how simple life began, just pawn it off on an infinately complex spiritual being, and don't worry about how it began.
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  How does it feel to

  by John Doe in

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  not be perfect?

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  viva

  Who are you to say that you are not perfect? j/k

  It is a great relief to relize that perfection is a myth and there is nothing wrong with the way you are.
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  The Three Stages of Meeting Attendance Freedom

  by Nosferatu in

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  2. friends

  during my exit from the jws, i went through three stages of being free from the meetings.

  stage 1: going to the meetings, but disliking it.. stage 2: stopped going to the meetings, but remembered every day that i was supposed to be going to the meeting.. stage 3: "oh yeah!

  thursday's a meeting night!

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  viva

  I would probably be Stage 3, only because I am always driving by the KH and when there are cars there, I remeber that there is a meeting.