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Posts by ianao
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25Another New One
by notperfectyet ini have been reading this site for a couple of months.
last night i stayed up all night, (not unusual for me though) and read the posts by ......well you know...the new kid on the block...who created so much fury.
at first i thought she was a fake, and i still do.
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by Smartgirlpw in.. edited by - smartgirlpw on 23 january 2001 16:44:50
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hey Smartgirlpw, my favorite was Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
"Let out thine Holy Hand-Grenade".
"Burn the witch!"
"It's just a flesh-wound"
"When danger reared it's ugly head he bravely turned his tail and fled..." <--- favorite. LOL.
I also like "Who's line is it anyway?" The original brit ver. Ryan Styles is awesome.
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Confusion Abounds!
by eyes_opened indoes anyone else out there feel like a color blind person trying to solve a rubiks cube?
lol....that's they way i've felt for a while now!.
just had a long discussion with my mom about some of my questions.
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I associate with my 30 years in this religion...fear at expressing questions or differing view points, guilt for even thinking differently, not being good enough to please someones idea of the perfect publisher, etc.
Well, I don't speak for God, but I would say this. If you think that doing all that you do as a JW (or else!) Is following God, then so be it. The outcome is out of yours and my hands.
IMHO, I think all of the cleanness and "organization" that your mother sees is a reflection on her mentality that to please God, you have to be a JW. My question is, how many of those people keeping the place clean and organized are not doing so out of pure love of God, but out of mortal fear of being destroyed? Does God want people to genuinely LOVE him, or genuinely FEAR him?
You know how it is... Be a good witness, please others, stay in line, rank and file, serve Jehovah well by washing those windows, distributing that literature, etc. etc. etc.
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by Smartgirlpw in.. edited by - smartgirlpw on 23 january 2001 16:44:50
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neyank, I believe the show is "Are you being served?"
My favcorite character is Mrs. Slocomb, she does ramble on and on about her "pussy". :)
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Too much spiritual food? Too much faith?
by ianao inhello all.. this is a quote from an earlier conversation in the 1975 thread.. are you saying that the garden was weeded from those who put too much faith in "god's spirit-directed organization"?
did these people listen to too much of their "food at the proper time"?.
unfortunately, i never received a response from smartgirlpw, only insults of "boo boos" and truth hurting.. i would like to know if you personally (yes, i am asking for your opinion here, your pearls, or two cents) believe that you should not take very seriously what is stated in the wt publications, and if so, or even if not, please explain.. this was my original question before i lashed out at you for claiming we were having a pitty party and you began to lash out at me, java, pathofthorns, trevor, etc.
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Ahh. Finally
No, I don't believe that Jehovah wants us to take the FDS' "utterances" with a grain of salt. However, We are told in the bible that "all scripture is inspired of God and is beneficial for teaching,for reproving,for setting things sraight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equiped for every good work." Therefore, the FDS are only putting forth what Jehovah Himself sets out as His standard of worship.
Ok. Now back to my original issue. If you believe that Jehovah does NOT want you to take the FDS "utterances" with a grain of salt, then why was it OK for witnesses to do so regarding the "expectations", of the time? Since you say it's Jehovah's will to pay attention to the FDS, why was it OK for them NOT to have the same expectations that the society did when the society dictated what was popular opinion? Why did they disobey Jehovah's wonderful "expectations" and encouragement to pioneer pioneer pioneer because '75 would be the end of this "system of things"?
(and sorry, "expectations" are what are prodominantly printed in the original literature as published at the time period. You can say "anticipations" all you like.)
And it is by our faith that we follow the admonitions that are encouraged and not demanded by the FDS class.
So does this mean that the people who did not "expect" the end of this "system of things" did NOT have much faith for NOT having the same expectations?
Can you see this double standard here?
On one side of the coin, you think Jehovah wants you to listen to the FDS, and NOT with a grain of salt. i.e. "pay attention".
On the other side, it was the fault of the people in 1975 for PAYING ATTENTION to the FDS, and the many many "expectations" and "encouragements" that were given to make way for the new system.
Guess where these "expectations" were printed? They were printed in the same publications that give you "new light" today. The same "new light" that allows SOME parts of blood to be used, but not all, even though Jesus said to continue abstaining from blood!
Take a look at the old literature yourself. And I am not talking about a WT CD-ROM or a WT binder of reprints. I am talking the ACTUAL DISTRIBUTED LITERATURE pre-1975. You will see something that may shock you, unless you are just in total denial. And that is from the HEART Smartgirlpw.
The structure is most likely out-of-date, and those who stumble anyone will sorely pay with the ultimate price...their lives.
Please explain this. Are you referring to the current WT structure?
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What Charitable Orgs. are you involved with?
by LDH inboys and girls clubs of america.
rotary.
school board advisory council.
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I second trevor's notion.
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Too much spiritual food? Too much faith?
by ianao inhello all.. this is a quote from an earlier conversation in the 1975 thread.. are you saying that the garden was weeded from those who put too much faith in "god's spirit-directed organization"?
did these people listen to too much of their "food at the proper time"?.
unfortunately, i never received a response from smartgirlpw, only insults of "boo boos" and truth hurting.. i would like to know if you personally (yes, i am asking for your opinion here, your pearls, or two cents) believe that you should not take very seriously what is stated in the wt publications, and if so, or even if not, please explain.. this was my original question before i lashed out at you for claiming we were having a pitty party and you began to lash out at me, java, pathofthorns, trevor, etc.
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Hello all.
This is a quote from an earlier conversation in the 1975 thread.
Are you saying that the garden was weeded from those who put TOO MUCH faith in "God's spirit-directed organization"? Did these people listen to TOO MUCH of their "food at the proper time"?
Unfortunately, I never received a response from Smartgirlpw, only insults of "boo boos" and truth hurting.
I would like to know if you personally (yes, I am asking for your opinion here, your pearls, or two cents) believe that you should not take very seriously what is stated in the WT publications, and if so, or even if not, please explain.
This was my original question before I lashed out at you for claiming we were having a pitty party and you began to lash out at me, JAVA, Pathofthorns, trevor, etc. etc for ensuing comments.
Yes, we lashed back and forth, and we are licking our proverbial "wounds" now from the battle, however this question raised remains UNANSWERED.
If the others want to persue their respective questions, then so be it. I would sencerely like to hear your take on this issue. Will you please discuss this?
And by "it" I mean the questions above. I would like your input on this question. And YES, I know that you are under no obligation to answer my question, you do not have to remind me of that. If you do not wish to do so, I understand. No hard feelings.
Edited by - ianao on 22 January 2001 14:34:56
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by Smartgirlpw in.. edited by - smartgirlpw on 23 january 2001 16:44:50
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[PG] - language
Haze
2. To harass or annoy by playing abusive or shameful tricks upon; to humiliate by practical jokes; -- used esp. of college students; as, the sophomores hazed a freshman.
No Smartgirlpw, you have not ever been put to the above test, no need to pass anything. I find it funny that even in your most civil response to date, you cannot even do so without another malicious insult to JAVA.
I'm sorry to have to resort to utter name-calling, but you indeed are a smart-ass for insinuating that people resonding to your insulting "generalizations" are "hazing" you.
Not very funny. Also not very amusing either. You can laugh at your own antics if you wish, but it's no different from a bad commedian laughing at their own jokes.
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1975 ???
by Scorpion inthe end of 6000 years is 1873. wt 7/15/1894 p.1675.
"in what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of god's rest day come to an end?
the year 1975.
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I guess you guys have your little clique going on here,too, just like the hall.
Yet another insult! Bravo!
The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree, does it, Lisa?
And another insult! Wow! Two insults!
And the gossip...my goodness. The mean-spiritedness of those and only those who have demonstrated that here to me today is simply nothing less than pitiful.
And another insult re: gossip and mean-spiritedness. (you can pitty whom ever you like, of course.)
I certainly don't know any of you personally and yet everything is taken so personally, as if you really cared about my feelings about you ("you" as in those of you who have prejudged my intentions without getting to know me).
We DO care about you, and we care about your feelings toward us. That makes us human. The fact that you are on this board, and the fact that you have posted certain things in other places shows that you were needing someone to talk to. Unfortunately, your big mouth (or should I say fingers?) is why we've "prejudged" you, as you put it. (First impressions are always the most important, remember.)
Maybe those of you who became enraged with me (and you know who you are) are just angry that you could not persuade me to your way of thinking....just a thought....
No, I have explained to you why I have responded in the manner I have. You are a very insulting person. You are also a good doubletalker. You are judging just as much as you claim we are. Your initial statement which pre-judges others is what warrented my response in the first place. Your "generalities" are viewed by many to be insulting, and you know what? I think you know it. I think you knew it all along. I think you are a very malicious person who likes a good debate. I think your whole intention was to get the good "laugh" you claimed to get earlier. I don't care what else you add to it, what else you "generalize" or "rationalize" in that head of yours, the posts here are proof positive.
If you don't like this board, then press ALT-F4 on your keyboard. Plain and simple.
Nobody minds a debate, but when the debate becomes a debate about the debate, then it is not a fruitful debate (i.e. discussion). This is a discussion board. Please discuss the topic 1975, or quit posting.
By the way, you have your own "wounds to lick" because you made your other post about what the elders did to you, only when another tried to tend to your wound, you questioned their motives.
Don't expect me to lick any more of your wounds. You leave a foul taste in my mouth.
Edited by - ianao on 22 January 2001 12:42:43
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by Smartgirlpw in.. edited by - smartgirlpw on 23 january 2001 16:44:50
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Fair enough Smartgirlpw.
I will say that what the elders did was TERRIBLE.
um, that's all.