Interesting. I wonder what the annointed do when they disagree with the annointed serving in the governing body.
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by ianao in(sorry to interrupt your peaceful day).. i just had an interesting talk with a jw friend of mine.
during this talk i was explaining to him why i was reluctant to be baptised a jw.
we got into many lengthy discussions on various topics.. one thing we discussed was jehovah (duh!
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No longer a need for a mediator?
by ianao in(sorry to interrupt your peaceful day).. i just had an interesting talk with a jw friend of mine.
during this talk i was explaining to him why i was reluctant to be baptised a jw.
we got into many lengthy discussions on various topics.. one thing we discussed was jehovah (duh!
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Hello waiting.
As long as mankind is imperfect - they cannot approach a perfect God without a mediator. According to the WTBTS - they are God's Only Channel to Mankind - not Jesus.
Interesting. I would assume that they consider themselves the mediator because of the separation of goats and sheep, and the condemnation of the goats for not feeding the 'least ones', and the praise of the sheep feeding the 'least of these my brothers'.
I have read these scriptures regarding the FDS, and accompanying parables, and I can see where anyone who reads and comprehends this scripture could view themselves as an FDS. I can see why the Russell did what he did. Interesting... *I* might have done the same thing, had I come accross these scriptures before anyone else. I wonder how many 'pastors' read this to themselves and suddenly received their 'calling' to start a church. :)
We, the great crowd, still pray "through" Jesus to Jehovah because he's our High Priest and King. But he' not our "legal" mediator as he is with the 144,000.
Fascinating. Where does the term "legal" come into things regarding mediators?
[b]As long as mankind is imperfect - they cannot approach a perfect God without a mediator.
Interesting... I never thought of NOT being able to "approach" God, I thought that was one of the purposes of Jesus. "none come to the Father but through me"...
That is my understanding of their teaching. I'm at work so can't do any further checking for you. But there are several scriptures involved and different translators do it a "bit differently" from the NWT.
I've noticed this much already.
I never realized that the WTBTS taught that Jesus was not a mediator for the common man. Only the FDS, including the 144,000 are considered "a" mediator. The things you learn on the internet...
Apparently the WTBTS does not teach that no mediator exists. I assumed that is what he meant when he asked me "how long would Jesus be a mediator"? Presumably from what you've said, he would no longer be a mediator after his death.
Things become clearer now. Now I understand why so many people have become devided in xtianity. Every other individual denomination seems to have stemmed from people assuming THEY were the FDS, and founding a religion. Now I see why the Pope puts himself in the position he does. Yikes!
All this coming from a singular interpretation to that passage. I can't imagine how many other off-shoot groups have formed from reading that passage and applying it to 'faithful and discrete disciples' instead of a class of followers. Let alone the other groups that sprang up out of simple disagreement with doctrine/teachings. (All this being speculative, of course.)
So it seems that one who THINKS he is an FDS, has most of what he needs to know to become an FDS. Now I REALLY understand why Russell did what he did. heh.
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No longer a need for a mediator?
by ianao in(sorry to interrupt your peaceful day).. i just had an interesting talk with a jw friend of mine.
during this talk i was explaining to him why i was reluctant to be baptised a jw.
we got into many lengthy discussions on various topics.. one thing we discussed was jehovah (duh!
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Hello All. (Sorry to interrupt your peaceful day).
I just had an interesting talk with a JW friend of mine. During this talk I was explaining to him why I was reluctant to be baptised a JW. We got into many lengthy discussions on various topics.
One thing we discussed was Jehovah (duh!) My point to him was, he as a JW was so caught up in Jehovah, that he forgot about the WAY to Jehovah i.e. Jesus. He was always doing this for Jehovah and doing that for Jehovah's favor, and many many things about Jehovah all of the time. As a matter of speculation, I would not be surprised if the only time Jesus is mentioned are in discussions of the FDS. He talks about praying to Jehovah, and having a relationship with Jehovah. Jesus just seems to be OUT OF THE PICTURE.
After confronting him on this, his response to me was that Jesus was an example for us to follow, and Jehovah was the ultimate judge. He also insinuated [sorry, bad spelling] that man no longer needed a mediator between God. i.e. Jesus was no longer the mediator.
What gives? The scriptures say that Jesus is the mediator between God and men. He also said that nobody went to the Father but THROUGH him, so how can he not be a mediator? Is this his dual class belief (i.e. annointed vs. non-annointed) manifesting? How could he say such things?
Anyone's thoughts, foresight or even speculation would be greatly appreciated.
-ianao
Edited by - ianao on 9 January 2001 18:3:54
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The Straight Dope site
by waiting inhey y'all!.
i ran across this site today.
red.. for those as ignorant as i : http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=52801.
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Thanks for the link waiting. I've spent 15 minutes or so reading the posts, and it is indeed interesting to see the opinions of others outside the WTBTS influence (JW or exJW).
I've never agreed with the idea of celebrating wedding anniversaries yet NOT celebrating a birthday.
ME: "What's that ring for? Does God need to see a ring around your finger, or are you showing the WORLD that you are married?"
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JW: "There's nothing wrong with wearing this ring!"
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What my trial would have been like?
by Venice inan apostate!
an apostate!
we've got an apostate!
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buwahahahahahh
UHAHAHAHAH HAHAHH HAHAHH *HICK* HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH...
I'm going to rent that movie again...
-ianao
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Other Life
by Angharad insorry if this topic has already been posted.. looking at size of the universe i cannot belive that we are the only life in it.
why would god create this enormous universe and then only use one minute planet?.
does anyone have any thoughts?.
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Sorry logical, not to be knitpicky...
Theyve found ice on moons of Jupiter, and suspect theres an ocean underneath it. Just because water exists there doesnt mean theres life there.
This is indeed true, but please note that Mars has fossilised BACTERIA (e.g. a form of life (once)) We have found similar bacteria here on Earth. Not only the water, but the once living. That was my point. I know water doesn't mean life.
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Other Life
by Angharad insorry if this topic has already been posted.. looking at size of the universe i cannot belive that we are the only life in it.
why would god create this enormous universe and then only use one minute planet?.
does anyone have any thoughts?.
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Not to try to take over a thread or anything (hah hah)
But, what do you all think about the discovery of fossilized bacteria discovered on Mars, and the existance of ICE on the planet (e.g. water at an earlier age)?
Seems highly likely with the canyons and dried up riverbeds on Mars that it may have once supported carbon based life (as we are).
What kind of slant does that put on the Bible?
Just curious to know some opinions...
-ianao
Edited by - ianao on 2 January 2001 17:4:45
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God Active or Not?
by ISP ini am interested in the boards view on the above.
is god actively helping any or is he dormant.
living in the time of jesus presence/kingdom rule i have to say that i would expect a little more than i see at the moment!.
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I have no doubt he is somewhere........but it is here that I am most concerned!
Please elaborate ISP. I don't recall anyone stating that this message board was endowed with THE SPIRIT, THE HOLY.
What exactly do you mean?
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God Active or Not?
by ISP ini am interested in the boards view on the above.
is god actively helping any or is he dormant.
living in the time of jesus presence/kingdom rule i have to say that i would expect a little more than i see at the moment!.
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I've always thought it a tad bit egotistical to think God would bother with me as an individual.
Throughout being a Catholic, one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and a "nadda" now, I would have to say that I agree with Carmel's quote.
Well, what do you think Jesus is for? He delegated!
-ianao
Edited by - ianao on 2 January 2001 16:49:12
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God Active or Not?
by ISP ini am interested in the boards view on the above.
is god actively helping any or is he dormant.
living in the time of jesus presence/kingdom rule i have to say that i would expect a little more than i see at the moment!.
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Hello mommy (erm...)
What Ifs...
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them" Mathew 7:20 KJV
What if most believe they bare the true fruit? Are there then fruits that taste better than others? Are all of these fruits from Jesus' followers, or are all from satan?
"Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit" Mathew 7:17 KJV
What if everyone else believes everyone else's fruit is evil?
" Even the spirit of the truth; whom the world cannot recieve, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18~I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you" John 14:17 &18 KJV
What if the proverbial "you" as outlined in this scriptures is the same person that another believes is NOT receiving the spirit?
I hope that through my works I am able to help others see the love of God. I have helped many to restore their faith, and personal relationship with god. Which I feel is the most important.
Wise and noble choice, but I DO think you mean God, right?
mommy
Well, not MY mommy, but a nice mommy anyway.
-ianao
Edited by - ianao on 2 January 2001 15:17:31