After all, they don't have a coherent, logical argument. Very true, very true. You are right. My husband's gonna kick my butt for agreeing with you because that's what he said last night & I disagreed . Sorry Hubby! You were right too! I still think 'where there's a will there's a way', but maybe this go-round, I'll just stick with little hints as opposed to a big discussion.
With regards to baby showers, what if the jw says "oh, its not celebrating the new baby's day of birth...its just giving gifts to the family to help out with the new baby" ? Riiiiight