I totally hear what you're saying....for the past six years, we've had a totally authentic, REAL relationship. And we never talked about religion (from MY standpoint, anyway) because 6 years ago, I assured her that I thought the jw's were full of CRAP & that I would never ever ever EVER go back to the KH or the Jw's. (I had no proof or evidence at that point, just feelings). But now I'm a different person...totally calm & laid back (except for some of my rants on jwn, hehe). It's time. I already know this is going to be one of my biggest challenges ever, and I have to fight my impatience.
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When Debating With Witnesses- Is Arguing Doctrine Beneficial ? Steve Hassan
by flipper inmy wife and i have been reading " releasing the bonds " by steve hassan and it makes some interesting points about assisting people to get out of any cult.
notice this excerpt from chapter 6 from the book.
hassan states, " it is also important to understand that in most bible -based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.
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Studying "What Does the Bible Really Teach?"
by homeschool ini can't believe it.
i've actually had two studies with my sister from that book.
yesterday, she told me i was being argumentative.
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ooooooh boy...this is going to be harder than I thought. We haven't even gotten to chapter 2 yet...I really need to record it on my mp3 player. She's goooooood. And by goooooood, I mean- she knows how much I question everything. So when we/I finish reading the paragraph, she asks the question like "ok, according to the jw teaching." Or, "according to this book". Or, "if you were to imagine that God was real and his name is Jehovah, How would you answer this?" She said if I am not comfortable saying the name Jehovah, I am welcome to say YahWeh instead (i'm not going to because I feel like that would be kinda asking for an arguement and make her think I'm being rebellious). Paragraphs 20-24 were a bit tough because I had to state my views without sounding rebellious.
22 As you learn more from the Bible, you may find that some well-meaning people will urge you to stop such studies. They may worry that you will change your beliefs. But do not let anyone stop you from forming the best friendship you can ever have.
23 Of course, there will be things that you do not understand at first. It can be a little humbling to ask for help, but do not hold back because of embarrassment. Jesus said that it is good to be humble, like a little child. (Matthew 18:2-4) And children, as we know, ask a lot of questions. God wants you to find the answers. The Bible praises some who were eager to learn about God. They checked carefully in the Scriptures to make sure that what they were learning was the truth.—Acts 17:11.
24 The best way to learn about Jehovah is to examine the Bible. It is different from any other book. In what way? The next chapter will consider that subject.The question says something like "what will some well meaning people urge you to do, but what should you do?
I said "Well, I've heard a lot of people dont want their loved ones studying with Jehovah's Witnesses because they don't believe the jw's use proper use of bible scriptures" .
I'll fill you in later. I've seriously got to watch my body language. Psychology intrigues me....I realized almost 3/4ths through the study that I was doing almost everything that shows you're nervous or unsure/skeptical...bit my nails, twiddled with my hair, rubbed my neck, didn't make eye contact at all times.
Wish me luck on Monday's study!
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When Debating With Witnesses- Is Arguing Doctrine Beneficial ? Steve Hassan
by flipper inmy wife and i have been reading " releasing the bonds " by steve hassan and it makes some interesting points about assisting people to get out of any cult.
notice this excerpt from chapter 6 from the book.
hassan states, " it is also important to understand that in most bible -based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.
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I ordered the book but it still hasn't arrived . My patience is wearing thin, but don't worry, I won't give in . Question: What do you think would happen if I said to my sister, "Sis, would it be alright if I asked you questions & then you repeat them back to me so I know you understand what I'm saying? And then maybe we could discuss it a week later?".... is that confrontational? does the book speak about that? In my experience, the main reasons I get into fights/arguments with loved ones, it's usually because I feel like I've not been heard. And I don't believe I'm alone with that. Its drives me NUTS to remember when I was a jw and somebody would ask me a question. Firstly, I usually prayed to Jahooba beforehand for guidence so that I 'may answer all their questions'. And then, as soon as somebody (like a return visit) would ask a question, my mind was already racing, not really hearing what they were saying, and I was trying to grab any plausible answer, even if it sounded like crap to everybody but me. And then the subject was closed (in my mind, anyway).
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BREAKING MY SILENCE EVERYONE READ!!!
by D8TA inas ive made it known on this board, my current status with the watchtower bible and tract society is that of inactive.
this is a loophole i have utilized, to keep an open channel of communication with family members in the organization.. i want to clarify with everyone: i do not hold any doctrinal ideas, theology, ideology, opinions expressed in any form by the wtbts.
therefore, to simply put, i do not believe in the wtbts in any way, shape, or form.
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Sooooo, yeeeeeahhhh, ummmmmmm..... troll schmoll....if I had a christmas tree up and the elduhs saw it at my house and threatened to df me, do you think I could use the "i'll sue you!" reasoning?
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BREAKING MY SILENCE EVERYONE READ!!!
by D8TA inas ive made it known on this board, my current status with the watchtower bible and tract society is that of inactive.
this is a loophole i have utilized, to keep an open channel of communication with family members in the organization.. i want to clarify with everyone: i do not hold any doctrinal ideas, theology, ideology, opinions expressed in any form by the wtbts.
therefore, to simply put, i do not believe in the wtbts in any way, shape, or form.
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lol - I don't think the elders would be wanting to come visit - hopefully they will leave you alone Nooooooo, silly willy....what if they saw the Christmas tree FIRST and then threatened df'ing... Could I threaten to sue after they see something worth df'ing?
Please nobody call me Trevor...
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BREAKING MY SILENCE EVERYONE READ!!!
by D8TA inas ive made it known on this board, my current status with the watchtower bible and tract society is that of inactive.
this is a loophole i have utilized, to keep an open channel of communication with family members in the organization.. i want to clarify with everyone: i do not hold any doctrinal ideas, theology, ideology, opinions expressed in any form by the wtbts.
therefore, to simply put, i do not believe in the wtbts in any way, shape, or form.
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This is what my husband keeps telling me. Would it work if the elders came to my house and saw a Christmas tree standing in my living room?
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Studying "What Does the Bible Really Teach?"
by homeschool ini can't believe it.
i've actually had two studies with my sister from that book.
yesterday, she told me i was being argumentative.
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We were talking this morning about how distracted we get. I was mentioning how I was trying to do business paperwork yesterday, but every two minutes I kept getting distracted & doing stuff like the dishes, and then vacuming, and then making a to do list, and then taking the dogs out to pee. I finally had to sit my butt down and get it done! The only reason I think I kept getting distracted is because business paperwork bores me to tears! and I hate doing it!
And then she said "yeah, the same thing happens to me when I'm trying to study for the meetings!" I hadnt mentioned to her WHY I believe I get distracted, but couldn't help but think she gets distracted for the very same reason, even if its totally subconscious.
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Does eating a rare steak = eating blood?
by neverendingjourney ini always wondered about this when i was still a jw.
i just assumed that it was improper for a jw to eat any meat that wasn't thoroughly cooked, especially steak.
i though everyone could see that the red juice contained blood, which, if eaten, amounted to a violation of the prohibition against eating blood.
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I was under the impression that jw's are NEVER to give blood. ?
How is it that they can accept stuff that comes only from blood yet they do not donate it. Seems a little hypocritical.
Didn't leolaia also say that there's a scripture in Acts that states we should not eat anthing that has been strangled? ...and that many animals today in the slaughterhouses are killed exactly by that means?
Unless it is labeled "kosher", we do not know how much blood is left in the meat, correct? This is not an attempt to turn people into vegetarians, I swear. I am just wondering why jw's are so technical about certain things, but overlook others that seem just as important, according to the bible.
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by jambon1 ini had nice friends that i chose.
i loved them & they loved me.
we had some nice friends.. but i do find it difficult to be extreemly close to people who stand by the rules of d/f.. my worldly friends are astounded that modern day people treat others like this.. i have found lovely friends in the 'wicked world'.
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It's a process, that's for sure. Go with your gut. You're on the right track.
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Does eating a rare steak = eating blood?
by neverendingjourney ini always wondered about this when i was still a jw.
i just assumed that it was improper for a jw to eat any meat that wasn't thoroughly cooked, especially steak.
i though everyone could see that the red juice contained blood, which, if eaten, amounted to a violation of the prohibition against eating blood.
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LOL! I like that!!! I wondered if you'd see that I resurrected this thread . I just went to "search" the topic on here cuz I thought I was the first person to ever think of this i'm so brilliant , hehe.
What are the verses in Acts 15 that say not to eat strangled meat? I just ordered Slaughterhouse...