Posts by diamondiiz

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Bet the wtb&ts didn't see this one coming...

by OneDayillBeFree in

nasa just announced the discovery of a new planet!

it's called kepler 22b!!!.

and here's the kicker..... .

diamondiiz

Nu-Lite alert. This earth will soon be burned up just in time for Jws to inhabit new planet

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JW is union member for years....?

by blondie in

jw
friends

http://www.clevelandbanner.com/view/full_story/16655276/article-tim-bailey-a-well-traveled-%e2%80%98country-boy%e2%80%99?instance=home_features.

bailey, who had been transferred to bricklayers local no.

9 in pittsburgh, retired in 2008. having remained a union member through the years, he receives a pension as a benefit.. .

I was in a union and was a "shop stewart" for a while, while being a dub. Never bothered me. I didn't vote to support local politicians but other than that, I did vote for union chair and such. Also voted on the contract and helped with writing one as well. I never knew it was a bad idea but I guess I lived a fairly norml life while in a cult.

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Victoria, Australia: Brief Update - Steven Unthank is still Acting Prosecutor, etc.

by AndersonsInfo in

court hearing results for december 6, 2011:.

steven unthank is still the acting prosecutor (and that's why he could not comment on the case on the"dialogue" program), and all 5 cases are still before the courts.

the crown informed the court that the office of public prosecutions are "acting as a facilitator at the moment"; and that the police investigation is "quite well progressed"; and that the police are awaiting response from the department of justice.. .

diamondiiz

I agree with smiddy that all JWs should have background checks, I was actually going to make that comment prior to reading his post. JWs aren't like other religions where there is a handful of ministers per church. JWs are ALL ministers and ALL go recruiting. Any JW can take others' children on calls or in service, any adult publisher can study with kids from within a congregation or with a child of a non-JW.

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Independent verification of Mexico Vs. Malawi

by Knowsnothing in

i posted on manki's crisis of conscience thread the following, and decided it deserves a thread of it's own (giving it was completely ignored, lol).

i'll give you a head start, manky.. http://tearsofoberon.blogspot.com/2009/10/mexico-military-and-jwsthe-truth.html.

under the subheading 6.0 lies and exaggerations, he goes on to say this:.

diamondiiz

from wiki but haven't researched the past policies

Conscript Soldiers

Legally, every Mexican man is obligated to a year of servicio militar nacional—SMN (national military service—NMS), but only a few hours of drill or social services on weekends, not true military training. Most conscripts will have received at most only one marksmanship session at a rifle range by the time they have completed their NMS obligation and are not integrated nor operate with regular Army units, and as such despite a national military service the Army is actually a fully professional career force.

The Cartilla

The drafted men attend and participate in weekend sessions that really are a social service in nature, with emphasizes on education, history, physical fitness, and military discipline for one complete year. Afterward, the precartilla (pre-military identity card) is returned to the conscript with an added page certifying his status as having fulfilled his national military service and identifies the military branch, the unit, rank, etc. The document then acquires full status as the Cartilla del Servicio Militar Nacional (Military National Service Identity Card), informally Cartilla; this status is recorded to the National Defense Secretariat files.

This document (Military National Service Identity Card) is an important form of Mexican national identification, and its existence was formerly always requested by private and public employers, however, this identity document has ceased being required for obtaining apassport for international travel.

The other reference given is from War Resistors International

postponement and exemption

Postponement is possible for students, those living abroad, those serving a prison-sentence in the year they turn 18, and those who have to support a family. Postponement is usually allowed for five year periods. [1]

Exemption is possible for medical reasons, for those living abroad and for those living more than 20 kilometers from the training centre boundaries. [1]

recruitment

Call-up for medical examination and registration at the nearest registration centre takes place at the age of 17. Selection of conscripts is by ballot. People picking a white ball get directed to training centres and must undergo military training; people picking a black ball are not enlisted. According to the Mexican government: "Those who obtain a black ball in the draw shall fulfil their military service through availability, without having to present themselves physically for service."

2 Conscientious objection

The right to conscientious objection is not legally recognized.

The Mexican government stated in 1994: "Mexican legislation does not recognize the concept of conscientious objection to military service. For those who are required to perform national military service as one of their obligations as Mexican citizens, it considers that the collective interest in defending the nation must prevail over the private interests of individuals." [2]

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This doesn't answer how the policies were during the 1960s and 1970s. So:

1.How common are these training centers for the 20km to be a valid excuse? I would assume they would be common enough to use 20km radious but maybe someone can enlighten us on this.

2. Would a JW go and pick a ballot? It looks like gambling to me. 50/50 chance of "winning". Would he say, sorry I can't do this because I might pick a white ball? Black ball, service through availability doesn't really go into details from that site.

So the 3rd witness tries to downplay the facts and apolagists go onto imply that we say that all Mexiacan male Jws got their cards during JW years. Just because JWs are known for janitorial work and window washing doesn't make all such. So far, the facts show that Mexicans were allowed to wheasel themselves out of service which Malawi's had to suffer the consequences. Bribe is a bribe doesn't matte rhow much you downplay it. Would Jehovah accept a bribe if Armageddon comes can I squeeze couple dollars in his coffers and get by especially if I live in Mexico?

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Independent verification of Mexico Vs. Malawi

by Knowsnothing in

i posted on manki's crisis of conscience thread the following, and decided it deserves a thread of it's own (giving it was completely ignored, lol).

i'll give you a head start, manky.. http://tearsofoberon.blogspot.com/2009/10/mexico-military-and-jwsthe-truth.html.

under the subheading 6.0 lies and exaggerations, he goes on to say this:.

diamondiiz

Before commenting on downplaying the events of 1960s that are presented by 3rd witness, I would like to see references to Mexican conscription policies of the 1960s. Without that, it's "he said, she said" scenario.

Not directly saying this, I would like to point out that a bribe is a bribe even though it's culturally acceptable. I know for a fact, that the practice was "acceptable" in Poland and majority done so to get their business processed faster. But if you had balls enough to stand up to the corruption you could get things done without a bribe but obviously it was easier to pay the clerk. I know of witnesses bribing Ecuador officials to get their visas extended which again one questions why one wrong is ok while another grey area like Malawi document is so bad? While the site implies that all apostates make it sound like all JW were bribing officials which in itself is a huge exaggeration. What the writer does, is focus on downplaying Mexican problem while ignoring the deaths of many witnesses in Malawi because of wts stance.

added: I will take a look at the references there if anything deals with the 1960s time frame.

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When...JERUSALEM DESTROYED? PART TWO - c.o.Jonsson

by diamondiiz in

http://kristenfrihet.se/vtsvar/vtsvar2.pdf.

i loved part 1 by jonsson so this one should be great read as well..

diamondiiz

http://kristenfrihet.se/vtsvar/vtsvar2.pdf

I loved part 1 by Jonsson so this one should be great read as well.

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john aquila brown pdf

by diamondiiz in

found this pdf of brown's book which describes his 7 times and 606bc and 1917 calculations.

http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1823_even-tide_gentile_times.pdf.

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diamondiiz

Just like to add that 1874 hasn't been changed in 1920s but officially in 1943 but some hints of the change started to appear in the early 1930s. What many witnesses don't realize is that today 1914 has several significant events attached to it

Jesus' return

Jesus enthroned in heaven

Last days began

Gentile times ended

But these events had their own individual dates with special calculation formulas which were all tied to the pyramid.

Jesus return in 1874 was tied to 6000 years of human history (officially changed in 1943)

Jesus enthroned in heaven as king took place 3.5 years after that in 1878(changed in 1925(?) birth of the nation article)

Last days began in 1799 (changed in the late 1920s)

end of gentile times worked well for Rutherford because of WW1 so there was no need of adjusting that date. Even though they kept 1914, they changed parts of the formula - 606 to 607, 536 as Babylon's Fall to 537 the year Jews returned to Jerusalem - no body blinked an eye. Today's JW don't have a clue about any of these, but then again it's old light, right?

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Re: Peak oil, truth or fiction

by diamondiiz in

for some reason i could't post a reply in the last thread.. i'm not sure how many actually viewed the video before posting a reply on the peak oil theory.

i'm guessing several didn't watch it.. with the few alternative energy possibilities, there is nothing being done to replace the oil technology at this time and to "re-tool" everything will take a long time.

peak oil doesn't mean running out of oil, or the wells drying up.

diamondiiz

For some reason I could't post a reply in the last thread.

I'm not sure how many actually viewed the video before posting a reply on the Peak Oil theory. I'm guessing several didn't watch it.

With the few alternative energy possibilities, there is nothing being done to replace the oil technology at this time and to "re-tool" everything will take a long time. Peak oil doesn't mean running out of oil, or the wells drying up. As the speaker said, as is, we will be paying much higher prices for oil before we have another economic "hear attack," so that consumption falls to lower the rising costs - works only for a time before the oil spikes again.

IMO, if peak oil is not a conspiracy but a fact, we will see oil in $200 (without hyper-inflation) range rather quickly and our lives as we know it will be greatly affected. If it's a fact, the only thing that can delay spike in oil is a global recession which will only delay the spike in oil prices.

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Apocalypse-porn now available at jw.org!

by serenitynow! in

oy.

the february 15, 2012 wt is out.

it has a huge mushroom cloud of fire on the cover.

diamondiiz

one dude has an arrow stuck in his back

I guess Jesus won't have any better weapons than bows right? Those are the weapons God used from the beginning right? A sword in Eden is a prime example of all powerful God using inferior human weapons to protect a garden :)

I guess Jesus will come back on a white horse and will shoot arrows at 7billion people, maybe GB close to death should take up archery as that might help them once they're dead.

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Ancient Israelites were the original JWs!

by serenitynow! in

so sayeth the f&ds on page 26 of the 2/2012 wt.

under the title "why does god have an organization?

" it says "god chose the israelites to be his witnesses.

diamondiiz

They've said that forever, nothing new. Adam was Jehovah's first witness turned apostate :)