Posts by diamondiiz

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Let the "Tithing" begin!

by The Berean in

last night during the service meeting a letter was read indicating that more money was needed by jehovah's witnesses in order to expand the world-wide work .

it was suggested that each publisher take a piece of paper and write down the amount of money they would be willing to give and hand it to the elders.

it seems to be a cleverway to gather "seed money" by the organization while not calling it a "tithe.

diamondiiz

Maybe on the blank paper quote Russell with the reference it's better than writing a big fat O

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To Ex-JWs: Do You Regret Learning it Was a Lie?

by leavingwt in

jw
friends

this question was inspired by a question on another thread.

to the ex-jw community here,.

do any of you regret learning that wt is not god's organization?

Paul: Watch Tower really messed you up. I know how you feel about death and how sad it is to realize that we will die instead of living forever. BUT the reality is that you look at the real world and you see everything dying at some point, humans have all died and are are still dying. As JWs, we were constantly programmed to believe that under the WTS umbrella we will live forever without death and this idea has been repeated over and over again to the point that we subconsciously thought it was true and we were living a dream that we wouldn't die as long as we were in the "ark". The problem is that the "ark" was a lie and we were never in a safe place to begin with but now that we realized this we also come to realize that we are mortal and we will die like billions of others out there and really there is no real alternative or real hope to this - that is very depressing at first and may last a while until we get over it or get help getting over it. We can believe that God will step in but than again no one has heard from God for how long? We can believe in the bible but Jesus never taught earthly paradise either, sure the theory makes sense but it's not even what Christ taught. Then we can also ask ourselves, if God is real why doesn't he answer prayers of sincere ones? Sure, people say that they had their prayers answers but in what way? That they had food and a job and a roof over their heads? A happy marriage? So do many athiests, so where is God's answer if not a coincidence of where we live or a person that we actually got married to? When you sit down and really think about it, you won't find prayers being answered nor do you find acts of God today and the past is questionable.

One can look at WTS and see the lies they tell and how many of it's present followers know little of the wts true past? If this crap of a religion continues, 200 or 400 years from today Russell will be a prophet and Rutherford too. People then won't have a clue what was published in 1900 nor will they hear about all the BS teachings sponsored by WTS today, but will read in their WTS how wonderful Russell, and his successors were and that will be the truth to these people at that time. The same possibly can be said for the bible. How much do we know about Jesus outside of the bible?

You seem to feel guilty for something you've done that may have caused you to be disfellowshipped and now you feel guilty that you're going to die. But are these people that cast you off not going to die? You've learned enough about wts lies that you should realize that these people would be more accountable before God than you. They are the false prophets teaching lies and spreading deception by following GB blindly, the elders are like followers of Baal's prophets and that's what GB would equate to. If you believe in God you can look at it that way. You are depressed and need help getting over it and since you appear young you will come to realize that you have a long life ahead of you and you should make the best of it. Get education, plan to do what you enjoy in life, find real friends who won't drop you because some stranger tells them to. We all have problems with certain aspects of our lives when we left a cult but trust me when I say that living a real life is better than living and hoping a dream that isn't and won't materialize as per WTS. Would you feel better if you continued with WTS and 60 or so years from now, the end didn't come, you're sick in hospital with a hope of paradise that just isn't materializing? You're going to die and you look back at your life and you didn't have a pleasant job, you didn't enjoy life, you didn't marry but pioneered, you did't have kids because you imagined the end was near and this system was so horrible that you couldn't imagine having kids in it? How would you feel? Would you wonder if you made a right choice? Would you maybe question if your belief system was all but a dream? Worse yet, what if you gave your entire life to WTS and when you're old and close to death you come to know that WTS decieved you and they turned out to be liars? How devestating would that be to you as your life is almost gone? Wouldn't that be worse - much worse than the situation you are in now? And how many of JWs are in that very position today? Dying of old age after sacrificing their entire life for a dream that should have happened long time ago and isn't happening now. They've seen their loved ones die and their loved ones will see them die without seeing the dream come true.

I'm guessing you're a teen or early 20s, and your entire life is ahead of you. You can find enough evidence to prove to yourself beyond a doubt that WTS is a fraud. You lost nothing other than years in an oppressive cult. Healing takes time, for some it takes longer than others. I know I've repeated myself couple times but you need help getting over your depression and getting over the guilt and over the dream that WTS taught. Life is what you make of it, it can be great only if you put effort towards it.

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Report from Russia

by highdose in

jw
friends

below are two emails that are doing the rounds in dub land.

they contain an account of a convention that was set up in russia in woods, the email has photos but i can't figure out how to post them up too.

but it shows bros and sis in the middle of a forest, on plastic chairs, freezing!!.

diamondiiz

In one country ban doesn't really work but if the whole world banned wts, wts would have no choice but say that it's Gog of Magog and that Satan has overstepped his boundaries and that would be likening to touching the apple of Jehovah's eye and therefor Armageddon is imminent!! All tht would do is finally put a last nail in wts coffin as dubs would wait and wait and eventually they would realize that wts was full of shit and no help is coming nor any sign of Armageddon. :)

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To Ex-JWs: Do You Regret Learning it Was a Lie?

by leavingwt in

jw
friends

this question was inspired by a question on another thread.

to the ex-jw community here,.

do any of you regret learning that wt is not god's organization?

diamondiiz

NO WAY! I'm glad I've learned the truth about wts while still relatively young. I couldn't imagine learning this if I was on my death bed or if i've invested all my energy and money and life for them. It would be so depressing.

How many of us know of someone who hasn't got married because the end is near and they will find that perfect mate in the new system. How many haven't had kids because you know - it's a bad time to have kids, so much better to wait couple more years and surely the end will be here. How many seen their loved ones die because they refused blood, organ transplants or vaccinations only to see these teaching change? How many spend decades pioneering only to be kicked out for questioning 607 or 1914? How many do we know that are still trapped in this cult that sucks life out of people and feeds them BS dream that will never materialize? How many generations died and need to die before this shit of a religion finally collapsed under the weight of it's BS!

There is nothing more rewarding than knowing the truth and knowing that you're living for yourself and not for some roaches at the top of a pile of shit controlling your soul in any way they can under the banner of God.

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The Only Real "Take" You Can Have on the Date of Jerusalems Destruction

by AllTimeJeff in

i have a new take on the 587/586 "controversy".

this is of course, speaking for me over 3 years after i left.

i realize that if you are first leaving, this is a big deal.

diamondiiz

Seems that scholar will argue that historians can't make up their mind on 586 or 587 as being the date so he will try to imply that the educated and professional scholars can't be acurate. If that's the case how can you trust 539BC? After all 539 BC is also supported by the very same scholars that are implied to be so wrong about the 586/7!! Keep debating this simple fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 is like debating that a square is not a square but is really an circle. WTF! The whole world accepts 586/587 date except for few nut cases who insist on 607 so it fits their chronology BS so they can keep telling themselves that Jesus returned and paradise is just around the corner.

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in search of proofs: Attn Farkle and Nathan Natas! re; united cemetery and the WBTS

by Aussie Oz in

jw
friends

hi guys, i have noticed that you two seem to have lots of knowlege at your fingertips.

so i hope you dont mind me attn to you!.

i have found the following information on the internet while looking into the miracle wheat:.

diamondiiz

this is my scan of Brooklyn Eagle clippings, they're not the best quality but I do have a better copy in question and I could rescan it if really neccessary.

http://www.archive.org/details/1909-1916BrooklynEagleNewsOnRussell

The article is Jan 24 1913 and what you're looking for is closer to the end of the article. That particular scan was rather dark and I had the Brooklyn Library rescan it but it's still not as good as I would like it but it's still readable. The few articles from 1913 deal with the libel suit between Russell and the Eagle.

You will also read about Miracle Wheat in the articles as that's what originally started the case. The are other articles also that give some details about early Russell and his dealings.

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john aquila brown pdf

by diamondiiz in

found this pdf of brown's book which describes his 7 times and 606bc and 1917 calculations.

http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1823_even-tide_gentile_times.pdf.

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diamondiiz

Found this pdf of Brown's book which describes his 7 times and 606bc and 1917 calculations

http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1823_Even-Tide_Gentile_Times.pdf

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Is this our fate?

by paul from cleveland in

is there fate?

if so, are we fated to be the bad evil slave?.

if the bible prophecies that there will be an 'evil slave that falls away and beats his fellow slaves because the master is delaying' doesn't that mean that someone has to fulfill that prophecy otherwise the prophecy would be false?

diamondiiz

What makes you think we're evil slave? IF bible is actually true then WTS is the evil slave and one could easily argue that they are being used by Satan! But really, since no one hears anything from God, one can't be sure if He really exists or is just a figment of our imagination. There is no reason to even imagine that WTS is God's channel as these scum bags are decievers, liars and they hurt so many people with their empty reasonings. There are millions of people who put faith in their empty promises who are blackmailed with a loss of family and friends if they even make a sound in opposition to the dirt bags at bethal. Think about it! You are free of these dirt bags, the only thing you need is set your mind free of the chains that still imprison you, the sadness and bitterness will eventually go away and in time you won't even think about the past fantasy - at least that's what I hear as I'm still getting over the bitter part. But life is better when you know the reality than living a dream that will never come

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The Only Real "Take" You Can Have on the Date of Jerusalems Destruction

by AllTimeJeff in

i have a new take on the 587/586 "controversy".

this is of course, speaking for me over 3 years after i left.

i realize that if you are first leaving, this is a big deal.

diamondiiz

Billy - I keep Studies Vol. 2 nearby in order to recall things like p.320

Hope you mean vol 3 for all those lurkers out there which also goes by Thy Kingdom Come

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Trotting Out Old Light and Making it New Again- 1975

by OnTheWayOut in

wts is great at rebooting old doctrines and rewriting their own history.

they need the members to feel that armageddon is imminent, so i have a proposal for the gb members reading this forum.. .

when the end failed to come in 1975, wts offered their explanation that eve was created some time after adam, and that some time passed before she and adam sinned.

diamondiiz

Problem is, you can't even calculate accurate years from Adam to the flood using the bible nevermind the 6000 years