Posts by diamondiiz

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Confused...

by raxxxx in

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hiya and... i do not really know where to begin... currently a jw... slightly starting to fade... got a girlfriend baptised... i am baptised also... my head is a mess... i do not know what to believe anymore... never really fully trusted elders as it comes to 'leading the flock'... got burned a few times with their ... decisions etc.

read a few articles in here about their alleged false beliefs... do not really know what to do... wondered if any of you felt like that at any point... when something that you trusted and followed most of your life... does not seem to be what you thought it was... .

diamondiiz

We all had these feelings at some point while discovering the truth about the wts.

WTS made us doubt the education system, the knowledge that's out there which played into their hand. Once you free yourself of that cult mentality you can see through their BS quite easily.

I'm glad to hear that your family will accept any decision you make as this helps in a HUGE way.

When you're young, it's easier to pickup the pieces and rebuild your world. If you need old publications you can check out the pdf scans here:

http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/

I had a site with more publication but doesn't seem to be working correctly. If there is something specific ask, especially if you can't find a hardcopy in your KH library. Hope some of this information will help you with the research.

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Confused...

by raxxxx in

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hiya and... i do not really know where to begin... currently a jw... slightly starting to fade... got a girlfriend baptised... i am baptised also... my head is a mess... i do not know what to believe anymore... never really fully trusted elders as it comes to 'leading the flock'... got burned a few times with their ... decisions etc.

read a few articles in here about their alleged false beliefs... do not really know what to do... wondered if any of you felt like that at any point... when something that you trusted and followed most of your life... does not seem to be what you thought it was... .

diamondiiz

Hello,

Truth hits us at different stages in life when we realized that watchtower was just another man made religion. Some were born-ins, others were recruited, some were stuck in wts for decades others not so long. It's a start of a journey for you that you should take with an open mind. Take a look at this site - jwfacts.com. Research watchtower history and the development of their teaching and why they changed the doctrines when they did. Research 607BC vs 587/6BC as the date for Jerusalem's fall through non-jw publications and compare the quotes found in wts publication to where they were taken from.

If you feel comfortable asking questions, we're here for you and we won't tell you to just take our word for it like the wts does to it's members. Finding out that you've been lied to all your life within watchtower organization is stressful and can be quite upsetting. As you lean the truth about the wts be careful how you go about it as you can lose your family, and "friends" very quickly all thanks to the cult structure that watchtower uses over it's members. Before you tell JWs about what you learn, you have to know them to the point that they don't elevate wts above all else or they have some doubts about doctrines as you do.

Hope you find what you're looking for.

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Are you sure leaving is a wise decision ?- Lurkers think twice- Part 2

by mankkeli in

in the previous thread of this series, i called lurkers attention to the need of being discreet when contemplating an exit from the jw religion.

i mentioned that the thread was borne as a result of the general observations i made reading old posts here and discussing with many ex-jws and their lives have gradually turned out.

that thread alone was visited more than 2,980 times and graced with 204 contributions.

diamondiiz

we have received reports of many ex-Jws who terminated their lives

Are we talking about xjw who left wts knowing wts was a fraud or are we talking about xjw who believed wts and were df and in weak state of mind thought that they would die at Armageddon or that they displeased God in such a way that there was no foregiveness?

Those who learn wts is a fraud, have a responsibility to others not to preach the cancer and infect innocent people! Whether they decide to leave the cult and start life over it's up to them and how they go about it may vary from one to another based on their circumstances. But to encourage those not believing in the cult to stay because they may not find something better outside is just wrong. With the amount of effort required to pretend to belief the pure bullshit and be fake to so called friends it might take less effort on the individual's part to leave and find real friends.

Just because Ray Franz was a humble man, doesn't mean that all of us agree with how he left but that was his decision probably based on belief that the cult could be reformed as he still believed in bible god. No life nor circumstances are the same and we live our OWN lives and should do what's best for us.

therapist had little or no knowledge about what really goes in the JW religion,

That's why forums like this one are so much better because we were in the cult and understand it.

We all know that the rate of divorce is way much higher outside than in the borg.

Even it that were true, it's better to terminate a miserable marriage and look for something better. Live is to short to appear happy to dubs in a KH and at home have nothing to do with the mate or cheat without others knowing. How many young ones get forced to marry in wts cult only to find disappointment!!!

Choosing freedom is better by far. Stand tall and proud that you're not slaved to a concept you know is a lie!

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Russian court finds Jehovah's Witness guilty of inciting hatred. 3.11.2011

by Hairyhegoat in

some interesting news for you all..headline title: russian jehovah's witness found guilty of inciting hatred 03 november 2011 a russian court ruling which found a jehovah's witness guilty of inciting hatred and enmity against other religious groups for distributing literature, is an attack on freedom of expression and religion, amnesty international said today.aleksandr kalistratov was sentenced to 100 hours of community service by a court in the altai republic on thursday, for handing out jehovah's witness brochures which allegedly incited hatred against the catholic church.the city court in gorno-altaisk had.... .

read complete article.

amnesty international - thursday, november 3rd 2011headline title: russian jehovah's witness found guilty of inciting hatred 03 november 2011 a russian court ruling which found a jehovah's witness guilty of inciting hatred and enmity against other religious groups for distributing literature, is an attack on freedom of expression and religion, amnesty international said today.aleksandr kalistratov was sentenced to 100 hours of community service by a court in the altai republic on thursday, for handing out jehovah's witness brochures which allegedly incited hatred against the catholic church.the city court in gorno-altaisk had.... .

diamondiiz

Quarterback: Can you please repeat your last message, I didn't catch that

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Russian court finds Jehovah's Witness guilty of inciting hatred. 3.11.2011

by Hairyhegoat in

some interesting news for you all..headline title: russian jehovah's witness found guilty of inciting hatred 03 november 2011 a russian court ruling which found a jehovah's witness guilty of inciting hatred and enmity against other religious groups for distributing literature, is an attack on freedom of expression and religion, amnesty international said today.aleksandr kalistratov was sentenced to 100 hours of community service by a court in the altai republic on thursday, for handing out jehovah's witness brochures which allegedly incited hatred against the catholic church.the city court in gorno-altaisk had.... .

read complete article.

amnesty international - thursday, november 3rd 2011headline title: russian jehovah's witness found guilty of inciting hatred 03 november 2011 a russian court ruling which found a jehovah's witness guilty of inciting hatred and enmity against other religious groups for distributing literature, is an attack on freedom of expression and religion, amnesty international said today.aleksandr kalistratov was sentenced to 100 hours of community service by a court in the altai republic on thursday, for handing out jehovah's witness brochures which allegedly incited hatred against the catholic church.the city court in gorno-altaisk had.... .

diamondiiz

Did any of the wts lobby groups influence Amnesty International to take up their cause? As an NGO member they may have some sway on Human Rights group while at the same time WTS has no problem stepping all over it's ex-members and those who no longer believe.

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Did you ever think.....'Why Don't We Kill Off the Anointed'?

by Diest in

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friends

i know it is an odd thought but when i was 7 or so and suffering through a meeting, i thought.....'why dont they get them in one room, and get rid of them so that we can live in the new order.

' afterall they are going straight to heaven to rule with jesus....not like death is a bad thing in that case.. it makes me laugh now at the simplistic mind set.

but on some levels it was a genius idea...well it was before i realized that it was a sham..

diamondiiz

I wondered why would they want medical help if they knew they would rule as kings. If they were to leave a poverty and pain for something better why would they go for life saving surgeries and treatments?

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Hello--new to the witnesses...and you

by LKM in

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friends

just wanted to introduce myself.

i went to the kh for the first time 2 weeks ago...and will go again tomorrow.

i don't believe anything witnessy...(i was raised in the assembly of god church and now the closest thing i "do" with religion is yoga or sometimes the buddhist temple).... but the man i'm in love with is a df'd jw (we've been together for 6 years).... and he wants to get reinstated just to talk to his family again (i can assure you he does not believe it).... and he wants his family to accept me because we are about to get married... so, i'm going to meetings...its very interesting, but only because it shows me more about how he was raised.

diamondiiz

Hello,

Since you've been together for 6 years I am assuming you are living together. You will have to get married first before your BF has a chance of getting reinstated or he will have to move out and maybe even then he won't get reinstated if he still dates you.

If his family doesn't talk to him now, there is a big chance that you will be treated like a second class by his family since you aren't a witness and you won't become one in the future. If you get married, he gets reinstated and then he fades, the family will blame YOU for his "weak spirituality." They will put pressure on him and you will be the cause of his spiritual problems and family problems.

If his family doesn't talk to him now, he may want to count his loss and forget about them and the cult as going back doesn't guarantee a better relationship with his family if he plans to fade after being reinstated.

If he plans on going back and continue going through the motions by going to all the meetings and doing what they require of him for a long time to satisfy his family, your "happy" life together may end up being not so happy.

Also, you need to know for a fact he doesn't believe any of it. You have to have a deep discussion with him about his believes because if he believes some of it deep inside, when he goes back those beliefs may resurface and you will be stuck married to a person you haven't met yet. If he really believes any of JW crap and wants to go back, you may want to put of marrying him and may want to reconsider your future.

Also, you going to the meetings now will not help him get reinstated until he's married to you, otherwise it will delay his reinstatement if the elders know he's living with you or even going out with you.

These are just general observations about JW/non-JW marriages, not a rule. Some marriages work between JWs and non-JWs but those are few and regrets are many. I wish you all the best and hope you discuss all aspects of his beliefs before you marry him while he plans to get reinstated.

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Witness plays Gov. Body Samuel Herd talk for me.....is he mentally ill??

by Witness 007 in

governing body member samuel heard talk -are you ready for the finishing line?.

so my witness "friend" plays this talk to show how near armagedon is.

his 18 y.o daughter said "it was scary" well shocking!

diamondiiz

"Imagine in the Great Tribulation people will be clubbing to death Clergy and COLLEGE PROFFESORS for not encouraging them to study with the Witnesses...."

If there is a revolution or so called tribulation in US how many would love to take the opportunity to clubber a GB member? lol

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Supreme Court in Brazil/Discrimination by WTB&TS

by compound complex in

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friends

dear readers:.

this is a tiny excerpt from christian witnesses that i had to reduce to readable size on notepad and then transfer here.

i received this from randy, his "armageddon oakies" .... thanks randy!.

diamondiiz

Any news on this case???

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JWs in the UK diferrent to USA or elsewhere?

by punkofnice in

i am in the uk.. i have an ex-jw relative in the usa.

he says that having lived ib both the uk and the usa that the jws are different from the uk to the usa.. how true could this be?.

at least int he area i grew up the term 'mother' for the organization is not familiar to me.

diamondiiz

In Canada, it varies from cong to cong but also the west was looked down upon as there were more "rebels" in the west - I guess I preferred the wild west and thus I'm out of the cult. I also think that the closer you are to the cult's branches the more BS you have to live with, while further away the less cultish people are. Just an observation.