ICHING

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  depression and why JW's don't reconize it

  by nogs in

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  well as you know unless you are an elders son or daughter generally jw's don't lift a finger to help all those ones feeling downtrodden and lonely.

  i felt like this from july 1994 to march 2000. i prayed to jehovah constantly for help to ease the loneliness, i begged the elders and even others.

  for a long time the only ones who would talk to me where the elderly ones(who i miss now since i left) i cried every night and felt after five years of being at meetings and feeling invisable (even though i was an auxillary pioneer) i decided that my life was worth fighting for.

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  hi nogs - thanks for your story it was very moving and so easy to relate to

  like yourself i've been through hell with depression

  this went on for years - just plain feeling bad all the time

  the dark clouds had really moved in

  i ended up leaving the jw's and seeing an analyst - fortunately i got one of the best in the country - one of the most beneficial things i've done in my life

  there was one main simple reason i got out of the jw's

  i was totally unhappy

  that was all i needed to know

  i'm in full agreeance with what you say about getting over it - maybe you never do

  and it's a debilitating legacy knowing that for a certain period of your life you were completely hoodwinked.

  it sounds like things are starting to improve for you now that you've gotten out

  hope it continues that way

  you sound like a very loving mother person and friend

  the witchunt mentality within the jw's is inexcusable

  looking forward to more of your writings

  I-CHING
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  Take pride in being organised?

  by Drue in

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  take pride in organisation?.

  could it be that jehovah gave the law to the israelites not so much as a blessing but also as a curse to teach them that 'organised religion' is not so good after all?.

  jws as an organisation take pride that they are organised, presumably, mirroring gods arrangement with israel (literal israel = fds, gentile supporters = "great crowd", the 'nephinim' and 'sons of the servants of solomon' = jw administration from the number of the other sheep [see wt april 15 1992], 3 yearly festivals = 3 yearly jw conventions and assemblies etc, jewish priestly mediatorship = wt borg (see, i used this word :)).

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  drue - if worship isn't kept "national" no mags get sold - end of story

  I-CHING
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  So Whats Driving You To Make Posts?

  by Englishman in

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  why do you bother to post on this site?

  what good does it do you?

  what do you gain from posting?.

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  ICHING

  ozzie - if it's ok to ask:

  why was your wife crying at the assembly?

  I-CHING

  PS no need to respond if too personal etc.

  Edited by - ICHING on 23 March 2001 22:49:11
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  WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE?

  by Unchained in

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  this is my first time at this so bare with me.

  i will be turning 21 tomorrow so i decided to celebrate like this.

  my family threw me a surprise birthday a week ago and we even had a pinata .

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  hi unchained - thanks for writing and sharing -

  i'm reluctant to offer advice - continue to post and read here - your present feelings are more than justified given what you've been through - those feelings are not about to disappear overnight -

  you're not alone

  I-CHING

  PS happy 21st!!

  Edited by - ICHING on 23 March 2001 22:43:17
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  Restrictions

  by ozziepost in

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  there is a practice among jws of applying restrictions to individual members.

  it forms part of the judicial process and, although having no scriptural basis, is applied automatically to erring ones who are judged to be repentant.. so, for a period of time, usually up to 12 months, the individual is not allowed to share in commenting at meetings, offering public prayer, appearing on the platform in congregation meetings, or in serving as an auxiliary pioneer.. as with any man-made law, difficulties arise from this practice.

  although no announcement has been made to the congregation, individual congregation members can have their curiosity aroused.. for example, take the real-life situation where a sole parent has been placed on restrictions by a judicial committee.

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  ozzie - you may be right - more specifically what i meant was - making stuff up and adding it to the scriptural mix - as if the made up stuff WAS scripture - it's hard fro me to get worked up over this - the wtbts is so right it's wrong

  I-CHING
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  Restrictions

  by ozziepost in

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  there is a practice among jws of applying restrictions to individual members.

  it forms part of the judicial process and, although having no scriptural basis, is applied automatically to erring ones who are judged to be repentant.. so, for a period of time, usually up to 12 months, the individual is not allowed to share in commenting at meetings, offering public prayer, appearing on the platform in congregation meetings, or in serving as an auxiliary pioneer.. as with any man-made law, difficulties arise from this practice.

  although no announcement has been made to the congregation, individual congregation members can have their curiosity aroused.. for example, take the real-life situation where a sole parent has been placed on restrictions by a judicial committee.

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  ozzie - yea it's scriptural - refer to the eg. of the Pharisees

  I-CHING
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  In there no good in the WTBTS??? or ourselves??

  by jst2laws in

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  we hopefully all agree it is wrong to reject an entire race because we have found one of its member to be flawed, or to reject an entire concept an the basis of finding a flaw in its argument.

  would not fair people look for a way to accept the good in the concept, modify the flawed portion and rejoice in what was gained from the refined concept?

  it would also be wrong, as the wt does, to reject an entire institution because some of its precepts are flawed.

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  2laws

  thanks for the reply and absolutely no animosity intended in my prior posts if they were perceived that way by yourself

  i agree that perhaps one redeeming quality of wtbts association is a the gaining of at least a basic (if not distorted) familiarity with the bible

  (wtbts tampering within the NWT is a whole subject in itself and one i shall leave to others far more capapble than myself here to expound upon)

  as mentioned by others - gaining a familiarity with the bible is par for the course with any christian faith

  if an organisation is attempting to portray itself as a christian faith there are certain foundations of that faith which must be included in the teachings of that organisation or the facade becomes too obvious

  it's hard to preach christianity without christ (though the wtbts does an outstanding job of covering this fundemental biblical teaching up)

  the question seems to be is the form of christianity presented by the wtbts a replica of that presented by the bible?

  without the org/mediatorship man made concept in the mix the message of the bible is very simple

  with it you have your present mental/spiritual condition

  the insidious nature of this condition though is that it's almost impossible to see if you've got it and then if you can see it you believe it's not that serious

  how the hell i managed to escape god only knows

  like many here have expressed i had no inclination to read the bible for many many years after giving myself permission to leave the wtbts

  their interpretation of the bible completely ruined the bible reading experience for me

  it's ok to get off the treadmill for a while even if it's just to see what it feels like

  imho

  I-CHING
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  In there no good in the WTBTS??? or ourselves??

  by jst2laws in

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  we hopefully all agree it is wrong to reject an entire race because we have found one of its member to be flawed, or to reject an entire concept an the basis of finding a flaw in its argument.

  would not fair people look for a way to accept the good in the concept, modify the flawed portion and rejoice in what was gained from the refined concept?

  it would also be wrong, as the wt does, to reject an entire institution because some of its precepts are flawed.

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  2laws

  what is the proportion between the flaws and the "many good scriptural truths"

  there is such a thing as a write off

  i can't help having the premonition that you may be about to receive a crash course in understanding this

  I-CHING

  Edited by - iching on 23 March 2001 19:30:18
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  How should i DA or DF myself in April?

  by TheApostleAK in

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  i'm thinking of daing myself at the end of april.

  what things should i do during april?.

  a) doing 70+ hours in field service?.

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  apostle -

  not give them the pleasure of knowing your intentions

  ICHING

  Edited by - ICHING on 23 March 2001 9:17:29
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  Number of Australian Witnesses continues decline

  by ozziepost in

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  australia's service report for january shows 59,111 reporting and just 42 baptized.. this compares with 59,908 and 98 last year.

  the 1999 figures were 60,917 publishers and 56 baptized.. this represents a 3% drop in just two years.. ozzie (of the new world statisticians class)

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  ozzie - at a rate of 3% attrition every 2 years how long will it be until none remain?

  iching