PP. I have considered that possibility, but I really just don't see any logic in the trinity. It simply makes no sense to me. And why did Jesus make it a point to say the Father was greater than him? Also if Jesus was God, who resurrected him when he died? Sorry, but I am not going to reject something simply because it was espoused by the wts. I think they are right on this point. To reject it because they teach it is just as rigid and unbending as we all say they are IMHO.
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Worshipping Jehovah without all the rules?
by ptucker8357 inhi again.... i've been searching around for a few days now trying to understand whether or not there are spiritual folks out there who believe some of the fundamental tenents of the witness religion, but don't believe in all the rules that the gb puts forth... many of the folks that i talk to tell me that the only way to salvation is through acceptance of jesus as god.
i do accept jesus as the messiah, as a perfect man that god sent to atone for the sins of adam, but i don't believe he is god.... i believe there is one god, one son and one holy spirit and they are not three persons in one god... i feel weird whenever i go to another service that exalts the trinity, as well as some other basic rituals of their religion.... am i making sense?.
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Worshipping Jehovah without all the rules?
by ptucker8357 inhi again.... i've been searching around for a few days now trying to understand whether or not there are spiritual folks out there who believe some of the fundamental tenents of the witness religion, but don't believe in all the rules that the gb puts forth... many of the folks that i talk to tell me that the only way to salvation is through acceptance of jesus as god.
i do accept jesus as the messiah, as a perfect man that god sent to atone for the sins of adam, but i don't believe he is god.... i believe there is one god, one son and one holy spirit and they are not three persons in one god... i feel weird whenever i go to another service that exalts the trinity, as well as some other basic rituals of their religion.... am i making sense?.
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happpyexjw
Welcome ptucker. I am new here too, but I have learned a lot from reading the posts of others.
As for your question, I think many agree with you. I have great difficulty with the whole trinity thing and it is the main thing that puts me off when I attend a mainstream Christian church. I cringe when I hear Jesus and God used interchangeably or when Jesus is referred to or prayed to as God.
You make perfect sense to me.
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My JW Daughter sends a Letter to us Explaining her Shunning of Me
by flipper inmy wife and i sent my 22 yr.old pioneer witness daughter and her husband a anniversary card and $ 40.00 and flowers the end of april.
my daughter wrote mrs. flipper and me each our own individual letters thanking us initially for the gifts - and then went into detail as to why she has not spoken to me for over a year and shunned me.. keep in mind as i paraphrase some of the highlights to these letters that the only negative thing i have said about the organization to my daughter in 3 years was to show her the ap news release about the child abuse settlements by the wt society .
i'll quote parts of the letter to mrs. flipper first :.
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happpyexjw
Oh Mr. Flipper, this is so sad, but not without hope. She has not rejected you and still responds to you with kindness and respect. It is obvious that she cares about you. I agree with those who have said to take this nice and easy. Keep your reponses to her gentle and non-religious and let her know that you continue to love her and want only the best for her.
You must be patient and wait for her to come around. I am ashamed to say that I have shunned relatives myself in the past. I realize now that what I did was very hurtful to them, but at the time I was convinced that I was doing the right thing after years of JW programming. For me, it took many, many years to wake up to the truth about this organization. You can never guess what might come up in her own life that might cause her to begin having a change of heart. In the meantime, try to the keep the lines of communication open and don't try to discuss religious topics with her.
All the best,
Mary
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Do you believe in MIRACLES?
by nicolaou ini'll be honest and admit that i did.
the 'moses' miracles, solar miracles, jesus miracles - everything.
so no belief bashing from me on this one, i promise.. all the same, how do you reconcile belief in miracles with that little voice in your head that says "hmmmmm?
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Hello all - been on vacation for a couple weeks and have missed the forum. This is an interesting question. If you are asking if God singles out certain individuals and heals them, then no, I don't believe in miracles. Why should one family who prays like crazy and whose friends pray for a child or other loved one be blessed with a cure for example, when others who are equally deserving are not answered. That just doesn't make sense to me.
On the other hand, I do believe there are things that happen that are outside the realm of what we understand to be normal. For example, a few years ago my husband had a particularly sinister mass appear in his chest, not contained to the lungs and way too close to the aorta to be operable. Over a period of a couple of weeks a number of studies were done to try and determine what to do. A CT guided needle biopsy was scheduled and he was literally on the table and already sedated when the Dr. literally came dancing out of the treatment room and grabbed me and dragged me into the room to show me the images on the light box. The golf ball sized mass had reduced on its own to a very tiny spot - it had spontaneously started to resolve on it own. The procedure was cancelled and the Dr. said there was no explanation for this. Sooo....crazy stuff happens that we don't understand, and in that sense it is miraculous - it least it was to us.
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Why do so many Xjw's not end up in some sort of trouble?
by AK - Jeff inmy observation has been the opposite of agb's in this regard.
i have known of precisely 0 who have turned to gangs/drugs/prostitution after abandonning the lies known as jehovah's witnesses.
most seem to lead lives of quiet hope outside the mainstream religious community once they leave - but far from dangerous lives [even from the jw perspective].. just thought counter-point might be fairplay here.. do xjw's live like jw's?
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There are some really insightful comments in this thread. After many years of being away from wts I agree that the fear-mongering about all the terrible things that happen to people who leave is just a control thing. In general, I think we do just as well, if not slightly better (due to experiences we have had) than anyone else.
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Is WTS Behind Stalking, Espisonage and Harrassment of Ex-JWs?
by Scott77 inseveral ex-elders, bethelites, ministerial servants, the rank and files of ex-jws on this site are writing about being stalked, harrassed, having their homes peeped through, car broken into while others such as gubberningbody, reports of recieving unsolicited calls from kh elders from another congregation.
the numerous stories are very troubling.
although some members have denied this existance of this lllegal activity, the underlying question continues to puzzle our minds: is wts behind stalking, espisonage and harrassment of ex-jws?
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Does anyone else see the hypocrisy here? Stake out someone who is "suspected" of adultery or fornication between two consenting adults, but give a "pass" to the guy who is molesting little kids.
Things that make you go hmmmm...
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Curing Cancer With Baking Soda
by Tired of the Hypocrisy inhey gang, i got a link from a buddy of mine on how cancer can be fought off with baking soda.
i read the article and while i can't prove or disprove the claims, it seems like some reasonable information and it sure can't hurt to try it.
thought i'd share it with you all.. http://www.bamboo-delight.com/download/cure_cancer_with_baking_soda.htm.
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My husband is a hardworking PA and I have to say that this idea that there are cures out there that health care workers and pharmaceutical companies don't want the people to know about is absolutely ludicrous. All the folks I know in medicine hate these diseases and would love to see proven cures for all of them!
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Swine Flu in California?
by sammielee24 ini know there was a lot of fear around the swine flu if it was able to spread human to human..it seems that this article is confirming that it has.
has anyone got a flu shot for it?
the patient's mother had respiratory symptoms without fever in the first few days of april 2009, and a brother aged 8 years had a respiratory illness 2 weeks before illness onset in the patient and had a second illness with cough, fever, and rhinorrhea on april 11, 2009.. .
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I remember the swine flu scare in the 70s when they did a mass innoculation drive. I dutifully lined up for my shot and had a horrendous reaction to it. I spent three days in an incoherent, feverish misery. Then they determined there was something wrong with the vaccine and stopped the shots. I had all but forgotten about it.
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should Elders be held resposible......................
by KAYTEE inshould elders be held financially responsible for actions and decisions that they get wrong?
in my very last congregation we needed some form of heating, in the body of elders there was no air condition expertise at all.. this did not stop them buying a 3,500 unit for this purpose, there was at the time two refrigeration engineers in the hall (myself and another), we were not approached for our input into this purchase.. the outcome was as usual a complete white elephant, it did not work.
3,500 pounds lost.
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happpyexjw
Here in the states, the leaders of non-profits have a fiduciary responsibility to make sound financial decisions, since they are spending money that does not belong to them. Not sure if this principle would apply in this case, but it might.
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happpyexjw
Oh my goodness, Yes! Don Knotts, and don't forget Tim Conway and Harvey Korman together. Those guys were hilarious.