Posts by idaho

Thou my ID states IDAHO, i'm really live in Norway. In fact, i'm imported from the US, so the name is not too misleading.
Although I'm from Norway, I'm not not one of the crazy vikings
who are quite reknown here - but living one does tend to become a bit crazy...

Heia Norge
idaho

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I need Help.............

by rollercoaster in

okay hi.

i'm new here and i kinda like it but i do have some question have any of you grown up in the truth and then some were along the line stop going to meeting well i did i found out about some stuff the organization was doing and it really disapointed me and also the congregations i have been in haven't been very confornting so if any of you have some you want to talk about or you have been through the same i would really like to hear from you .

discombobulatedgirl

idaho

Hi D-girl!

Thanks for your post. I think you’re great! You probably make your parents proud!

I’m sorry if my post misses the question you asked, but I’ll take my chance on it.

I am not a JW, nor have I ever been one. I was brought up in a non-religious Christian home – went to Sunday school and church which bored me to death.
As a young teenager I stopped going to church and has a young adult I even had a spell in atheism. As an adult I started to go to church after “meeting Christ” –(that means that I decided to a become a Christian after feeling the Lords presence in my life. Well’s that my story.
I have two girls (16 and 14 yrs). The oldest is active in a church (in fact another denomination than my own and that’s fine with me). My youngest girl has NO intention to go to church and to follow the same faith as myself. I would be lying if I said her choice is entirely fine with me but I respect her and love her no matter what.

All religion is based on faith and faith is both based on and influences our worldview. As you know there are many faiths (and non faiths) in the world, that’s why we often see things so totally differently.

Now to my point

It is important that YOU yourself must decide for yourself what to believe in. It’s your life process, your road to travel. You cannot live on another person’s faith, either if it’s your parents, friends or religious movement. You must decide what’s correct for you. It’s
often difficult to know what to believe in and it’s OK to choose different "roads" in your life. How else can you know what’s “right” if you haven’t tried it. (I do not imply that ALL "roads" are correct, on the contrary. But my own faith and beliefs are somewhat “subjective”).
It’s great that you question things, there are no answers without a question asked! Don't ever be afraid to question things in life and in your faith. Any type of TRUTH should withstand questions asked. And don't be afraid that you don't have all the answers.
Be openminded, but also be sceptical. Life has so much for you too choose.

And, be open for help, aid and advice from others, primarily your parents. They, above all others persons, usually wishhes the best for you!

Bless you D!

Btw have you considered Jesus?

Sincerely
Idaho (Finn)

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Isn't the tie a phallic symbol

by hippikon in

jw
friends

i seem to remember reading somewhere that the tie is a phallic symbol.

can anybody shed any light on that.

if this is so it should go the way of beards, birthdays, the cross, rock music, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

idaho

yeah expatbrit

My thought too. A tie is a very good killing instrument
It gives me a whole new perpective of the expression
"Dress to kill"

Hey JAVA

I like your portrait on your cup - was it taken prior to
you leaving the Society?

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Did Christ exist?

by uncle_onion in

jw
friends

jesus christ is the main feature of christianity.

what proof is there of him existing?

we touched on this subject on the the last thread that i started, but i would appreciate in depth veiw points and "evidence" please.

idaho

Jan

Man, you're good! You live up to your reputation , and
that's positively meant from my side.
Again I'll have to get back to you - I don't have enough
space in my HD (head) to handle your questions immediately.

PS I think Ron Wyatt was in league by himself. Perhaps not alone
in your eyes?

Idaho

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Did Christ exist?

by uncle_onion in

jw
friends

jesus christ is the main feature of christianity.

what proof is there of him existing?

we touched on this subject on the the last thread that i started, but i would appreciate in depth veiw points and "evidence" please.

idaho

Jan

you say;

There are countless examples of Christian frauds, making up evidence where there is none. While I don't want to dismiss out of hand such a thing, I think it's extremly suspicious if such a remarkable found would not become more widely known, and in more credible sources.
The use of Prof. Sukenik's name does not easen this suspicion. Sukenik was one of the first archeologists to learn about the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947. He was an old man then, if I'm not much mistaken, and he's very unlikely to be alive still. The finds are nowehere dated. Famous name and the absense of actual details of where and when does not sound credible to me.

Concerning Jerusalem Christian Review:
I'm well aware are the Societies misuse of "quotes" so I'm quoting
the following with a note of caution. I cannot at the moment verify
the crediblity of the person quoted or the quote itself. In fact this is taken from JCR own "braglist".
http://www.christian.edu/others.htm

"It is with whole hearted support that I commend this innovative publication. The information contained in the Jerusalem Christian Review is of extreme interest to all those who have a regard for the Bible and biblical times." - Dr. Yoram Ben-Porat, President, Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

The president of the H.U.J. seems like a credible source.

Eliezer Sudenik:
The following is quoted from the reknown Britannica

http://www.britannica.com/seo/e/eliezer-sukenik/

Sukenik, Eliezer b. Aug. 12, 1889, Bialystok, Pol., Russian Empired. Feb. 28, 1953, Jerusalem, Israel in full ELIEZER LIPA SUKENIK, Polish-born Israeli archaeologist who identified the antiquity of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Sukenik settled in Palestine in 1912 and was drawn to archaeology while studying at the Hebrew Teachers Seminary and the French Biblical and Archaeological School at Jerusalem. After earning degrees at the University of Berlin (A.B., 1923) and Dropsie College, Philadelphia (Ph.D., 1926), he returned to Palestine. He became associated with the Hebrew University as field archaeologist (1926), subsequently becoming lecturer (1935) in and then professor (1938) of the archaeology of Palestine. He was also director of the Museum of Jewish Antiquities.
Sukenik's numerous excavations and investigations led to remarkable discoveries. He found remnants of an important Hyksos fortification at Tell Jerishe and directed the clearance of the Third Wall in Jerusalem (1925-27), later publishing, with L.A. Mayer, The Third Wall of Jerusalem (1930). Sukenik's publication The Ancient Synagogue of Beth Alpha (1932) made famous the mosaic pavement he had unearthed there and expanded the frontiers of the history of Jewish art. Sukenik's keen interest in numismatics led to his identification of the oldest Jewish coins of the period of Persian domination. His familiarity with the script of the epitaphs of the Jewish necropolis in Jerusalem, dating from the last century (c. 30 BC-ad 70) of the Second Temple, enabled him to recognize that the scrolls found in the first Qumran cave in 1947 dated from that same period. His book The Dead Sea Scrolls of the Hebrew University was published posthumously in 1955.

I feel you are trying to cast unnecessary doubt on a org/person
which/who doesn't necessarily agree with your own thesis. No hard feeling meant, this is just my impression in your post.

So bias aside ;), can the archeological findings in fact substanciate their claim?

Idaho

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Did Christ exist?

by uncle_onion in

jw
friends

jesus christ is the main feature of christianity.

what proof is there of him existing?

we touched on this subject on the the last thread that i started, but i would appreciate in depth veiw points and "evidence" please.

idaho

Hi Jan and others

I agree let's keep this discussion on a civilized level

Jan, Thanks for your reply. I'll have get back to you - i'll have to do some research prior to answering

Idaho

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Did Christ exist?

by uncle_onion in

jw
friends

jesus christ is the main feature of christianity.

what proof is there of him existing?

we touched on this subject on the the last thread that i started, but i would appreciate in depth veiw points and "evidence" please.

idaho

Hi uncle

Besides historic references to scholars such as Josephus and others
(who I can't recall at the moment), there are archeological findings
by the reknown archeologial professor Emil(?) Sudenik

I quote from a URL site refering to to Suseniks findings

An ossuary, found near the tomb of "Simon Barsabas" (Acts 1:21 & 15:22) is inscribed with the dedication: "[To] Jesus, the Lord." Scholars believe this is the earliest record of Christian faith ever found. The burial cave, where the stone coffin was discovered, was sealed not later than the year 42 A.D., more than a decade before any part of the New Testament was written.

If this buial cave was sealed no later than AD 42, that only 10 years
after Jesus' death at Calvary. That's within "a memory span"
even up todays standards.

BTW "[To]Jesus, the Lord" is highly likely written in Hebrew
which probably states "YESHUA Y'ho" that is the holy name
which is...Yehovah????

idaho

47

How about 10 favourite albums (er, cd's)

by amicus in

how about your 10 all time favourite cd's.

mine:.

beach boy's -pet sounds.

idaho

I got a wide interest, but my music has definitely mellowed as
I grew past 30 and now i'm nearing... EEK!

In no particular order... well in a random order

Al DiMeola (most of his work)
Victor Wooten - A show of hands
Andrea Bocelli - Romanza
Karajan - Adagio
Stomu Yamashta - Go too: Live
Al Jarreau - This Time
Crash Test Dummies - God shuffled his feet
Deep Forest - Boheme
Chuck Mangione - Live at the Hollywood Bowl
Yanni - Tribute(embarassed to admit it-but its good)
Idaho no,that's me

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Who is an atheist here, just wondering?

by spectromize in

jw
friends

i would like to know who is an atheist here and why you like to take part in discussions on this board?.

thanks for your replies.

idaho

Hi unc and ianao

Thanks for your reply. My posting was just an attempt of a
friendly(?) opening. As a former humanist (does that me an inhumanist now?), I respect others that do not believe in a “God” Many of my close (older) friends are still atheists. I also understand that amany exJWs have had experiences with the organization which have led them to new paths in their “journey”. Unfortunately (in my view) these negative experiences have caused many persons to lose their entire belief in “God”, which perhaps is a consequence of their experiences. But is it necessary to throw out the baby with the bathwater?
I have no beef with your mentioned “vikings”, although others do ;).

I see that you have some knowledge of the real Vikings. In fact, many of these were farmers, and merchants, who explored the world often to build a better life for themselves and their families. These were often very much civilized group of people. Then there were others who “enriched their lives” by stealing, raping and murdering others. That’s when they went “viking”.

Don’t worry ianao, I’ll won’t cut you up too bad, my “sword” is of a different sort. With so many freespirited thinkers around (and vikings), I think I’ll probably need the “sword” more for my own protection ;)

Idaho