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  Strange e-mail from Romania

  by jakes in

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  i received this strange e-mail from romania.

  to worship god in spirit , it means to have the understanding of his word , in spirit .

  what is the truth ?

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  wantingtruth

  "He brings princes to nothing,
  and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness.
  Isaiah 40:23
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  Here is what we read in the Bible book of Daniel about a great action by Jehovah:
  "He changes times and circumstances; he overthrows and makes kings; ..." (Daniel 2:21).
  How does JEHOVAH change 'times and circumstances'?
  First of all, it is necessary to know that He acts in accordance with the decisions He has made beforehand, seeing clearly what is to come (Isaiah 46:10a).
  In connection with this, it is then necessary to understand that in connection with these decisions, JEHOVAH clarifies things at the time appointed by Him, that is, before it happens, He reveals to His messengers, through His Holy Spirit, the 'mystery' of those things.
  Of course, this is necessary because prophetic things are 'hard to understand' and the human mind can only understand and comprehend them through the divine revelation given by JEHOVAH by His Spirit.
  "He reveals what is deep and hidden; ..." Daniel 2:22a.
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  Hidden things were also those related to the true biblical identity of the "man of lawlessness."
  Although some 'parties' of 'witnesses' talk about that intruder, they cannot prove at all that JEHOVAH had revealed to them the true identity of that intruder.
  But there is enough evidence that in the pages of the brochure "The Reaper" the biblical true identity of that intruder was proved biblically, from the first issue of this brochure.
  Of course, this was not accomplished by human power, but by the revelation made by JEHOVAH by His Holy Spirit.
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  Now it is understood what 'princes' and 'judges' are really about.
  Thus, it is now understood that the 'princes of Zoan' in Isaiah 19:11 are those princes we read about in Isaiah 10:8, about whom the Assyrian (the "man of iniquity" - the 'head' of the religious organization of witnesses) says:
  "Are not my princes all of them kings?"
  It is now understood, then, that these 'princes' are those to whom the 'Assyrian' (the king of the north in Daniel's prophecy) has given authority over many - Daniel 11:39.
  The same is true of those who have called themselves leaders of various groups of witnesses, who unjustifiably have the false claim that they represent the "remnant."
  Likewise, as far as 'judges' are concerned, let us understand that the authority given to them obliges them to work according to the justice of Jehovah.
  But they don't work like that !!
  That's why they will all be reduced to 'nothing' !!
  - The Reaper. (Daily text of August 18, 2005).
  
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  Strange e-mail from Romania

  by jakes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i received this strange e-mail from romania.

  to worship god in spirit , it means to have the understanding of his word , in spirit .

  what is the truth ?

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  wantingtruth

  1) Are you saying that Jehovah's witnesses are The exclusive people of Jehovah as were the Israelites in Moses day?
  the answer:
  -- Not only the Jws.
  The gathering that started with Russel marks the beginning of God's people -- in the "latter days".
  The time has approached for God, to bring His Kingdom on earth , and that Kingdom has to start here within a people (of saints), so Jehovah God proceeded to gather His people.
  For a certain man , or group of men , to be considered "alive" from God's point of view , they need to "eat" from "Heavenly bread" - John 6:32,33,35.
  So , God gave it to them: Psalm 78:24 / 105:40b (prophetically shown here).
  What is the Heavenly Bread ? -- It is Jesus' sacrifice together with the correct understanding of how it works (a teaching)!
  It implies a correct understanding and knowledge about what is (both) the weakness and willfully sin !
  As Jesus teaches, after one's baptism/consecration , that "ransom" cover only weaknesses , while the christian person is commended to "clean" his hearth : see Mark 7:18-23.
  All these things listed by Jesus here are willfully sins , and are not forgiven after receiving "the truth"... see Hebrew 10:26!
  Jehovah God through His Spirit helped br. Russel to understand this teaching - in 1872 - and so, this is the very year of starting "God's people history" -- a year found not by some kind of chronology , but as a result of the work/action of God !
  God used Russel as "a prophet" ... see Hosea 12:13 !
  Starting with that time many persons came to a good relation with Jehovah God to do His will, based on a good foundation.
  So, from that time, all men that lived according to God's revealed requirement to keep "holy" (1Tess. 4:2,3,6,7,8,.) whether they call themselves Bible Students , Jehovah's Witnesses (included various eastern groups of Jws). or the disfellowshipped ones(still Christians), are God's people !
  Now, God was expecting from His people to be "faithful".... Isaiah 63:8-10 !
  But they were NOT! ... it happens like this : read Deuteronomy 32:15/ Hosea 11:1,2...5,7,
  Therefore Jehovah God decided to punish them - it is a manifestation of His RIGHTEOUSNESS! - see: Isaiah 66:18 / Jeremiah 5:29 /Deut. 32:19-21...
  
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  2) Are you saying that Russell and Rutherford were true sons of the Kingdom ?
  the answer :
  -- Russel and Rutherford had a heart that loved God, and they never taught others to sin wilfully , in spite of having many weaknesses , specially Rutherford .
  Jehovah God speaks right: Isaiah 43:27,28 !
  The main sin that God charges the two is : Jeremiah 2:12,13. Yes , they did not wait for Jehovah in giving the "food", but they mixed the teaching received by Holy Spirit with their own conclusions...
  So , a lot of teachings such as "the chronology" (the way to find these years like 1914, 1925, 1975 etc.), piramydology , natural Israel as God's people , God's earthly organization , etc,etc,... are NOT biblically and NOT from God !
  But because Jehovah God uses them to give food and warnings to His people, and they have not broken the covenant, He shows us they are forgiven through Christ sacrifice./YHWH considered they had a good/clean heart before Him .
  
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  3) Are you saying that 2 Thess 2 was then fulfilled when a group took control of the bible students and stood in the holy place?
  the answer:
  -- While Christ was sowing wheat , when "everybody was sleeping" the enemy sowed the weeds!
  Starting exactly with Russel , the shepherds of Israel were sleeping regarding to ... what is written in Hebrews 12:16,17.
  So, persons like Esau were "born" into christian congregation.
  They got numerous and became the "opposite side" of truth --the weeds. Because even the wheat sinned against God , He decided "a day" or a period of time to punish His people (the holy ones)
  That punishment meant to be : the holy ones had to lose the leadership over God's house and "the Esau house" gained it !
  the "7 persons-heads" that took control after Rutherford's death belonged to Edom.. they taught (indirectly) that Christ ransom covers the wilfully sin , that means they took away the continual offering ...see Dan 8:11.
  The "holy place: does not mean "the society WT", but refers to the spiritual Temple and the (kind of) worship there.
  So , the weeds were already entered or "sown" in the Temple , but when they took control of Society , and so , over God's people , they in fact elevated themselves to the position of "god" according to 2 Tess. 2:4 !
  
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  4) Are you saying that they tampered with the word of God by creating the NWT to mislead the sheep?
  the answer :
  -- Yes they "adapted" the bible to their purposes !
  
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  5) Are you saying that this group is in fact the "seven headed wild beast" ?
  the answer :
  -- Yes ,they were 7 "anointed" which proved that have lost their anointment (or have broken the covenant) because of their works , and they became "the 7 heads"....of the beast, but the entire beast include all human - organizational structure that was imposed over God's people all over the earth .
  In fact , only people who obeyed and subjected themselves under the leadership of those 7 heads were allowed to be in "positions" in this organization !
  they all together are "the body" of the beast.
  
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  6) Are you saying that all those within the WTO have received the mark of the beast by being baptised into the WTO?
  the answer :
  -- Not by baptism... but by receiving, believing and living according to the erroneous teachings proliferated by this "man of lawlessness" they have received the "mark of the beast"
  the worst thing (worse than changing the baptismal vow) the beast did, is removing the Christ sacrifice's meaning, ( "and the continual burnt offering was taken away from him" Dan 8:11 ) , saying and teaching that the wilfully sin is covered by His sacrifice !
  All persons believing that , loving that teaching , while they love to play with wilfully sin (and to practice it ) , are those with beast's mark..consciently .
  
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  7) Are you saying that the two annointed witnesess were russell and rutherford and their preaching truth works were stopped by the beast ?
  the answer :
  -- I don't ! The two witness are two class/groups that compound the body of Christ: the "prophet" and the "priest". both being "wheat".
  Geremiah 23:11.
  
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  8 ) Are you saying that the two witnesses (the holy ones) will be soon given the kingdom when they are re-established and the beast is killed ?
  the answer :
  -- Yes ! the holy ones HAVE (need) first to be cleansed !
  and then the kingdom will be done to them! Dan 7:21,22,25,26,27.
  they have to be gathered ! Isaiah 11:11 / Ezekiel 36:24,25,...32!
  
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  9) Are you saying that the only people who have any connection with this work are within the WTO ?
  the answer :
  -- Not only!
  But the most of them (the gross number) are there ... at the daughter of Babylon Zech.2:7.
  Also there are (some of)Bible Students and others , but it is surely about those who have "eaten" from Heavenly Bread ! (they are those who rightly appreciate what means "be saints because I am saint" as God says.
  
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  10) Do you believe that the wild beast only dominates Gods household rather than the whole of the human race?
  the answer :
  -- Yes ! They dominate God's house , while deceiving the whole earth saying that they are God's people or chosen ones and Jehovah's unique channel on earth !
  They "interposed" themselves between God, His kingdom , and the rest of all humankind , and that happened in a time permitted by God ...
  this way they dominated all persons on earth who wanted to approach God and his Kingdom ...
  of course , those of humankind who were not interested in serving God , are not part of this picture..
  
  Dear , here is a "body" or a "building" of teaching ! There is a full bible and events to prove it ! Here I used only a few arguments ...
  See: Jesus did not tell historical tales to his contemporanes about Egypt , Babilon , or Rome etc,etc, as beying part of the seven world's Powers ... and much history...
  but He told them words that implied directly their hearts and their way to worship God , implying their responsibility before God !
  Each prophetical part He quoted, He applied it to them, revealing their state of heart before the Father and himself
  
  Today God's people like to tale about political beasts...because that not discover what's inside their heart !
  But today is a time to seek God's righteousness, by returning to Christ's teaching, to obey it ! Matthew 17:5.
  God's people until now were composed of two "nations": the holy ones or "wheat" , and the "weeds" or wicked ones ... Jeremiah 5:26 / Deut. 32:21.
  Jesus said (Matt 24:34) "that nation will not pass till... "
  He referred not to "generation" , but to the bad "nation" , the weeds . The wheat will not be able to escape from them (the weeds) until Jehovah will come through His Messenger , (at the second coming) , while all signs will happen! Matthew 24:32.33.
  He comes to do the judgement at The Temple and all his people , to refine Jacob's sons , to deliver them from under all Babylonysh slavery and then to give to them the Kingdom !
  The wicked nation is that: see Matt 16:4,
  the sign of Jonah is , they ( "the evil and adulterous generation") will see when God's spirit comes over the two dead witnesses and they stay up again ! Rev 11:11.
  While the wicked nation will be ready for destruction (even named themselves as Jehovah's witness), for the righteous nation today Jehovah is preparing something good ! see Isaiah 26:2 .
  " Open the gates, that the [uncompromisingly] righteous nation which keeps her faith and her troth [with God] may enter in." ...
  (where ? see Rev 22: 14,15 )
  
  Hope this help a little,
  wanting truth
  
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  wantingtruth

  DECEMBER 17

  "At midnight, a people totters and perishes. The mighty perish, without the intervention of the hand of any man."

  Job 34:20

  The expression 'at midnight' reminds us of Jehovah's action against the Egyptians in ancient times.

  Then He struck all the first-born of the Egyptians, including Pharaoh's first-born.

  Job was inspired to prophetically write these words that I quoted above, regarding an action that JEHOVAH would undertake in the end times. Not with regard to Satan, because he is not perishing now, but will only be bound,

  but with regard to the 'man of lawlessness' (Pharaoh), who is indeed destined to perish.

  And not only with regard to him, but also with regard to his people, which consists of all those who are faithful to him!

  This Pharaoh of our times is that 'mighty' that Job speaks of here, and of which the inspired Isaiah showed that he would be dispossessed of the prey he had taken, namely the "saints" (who were overcome by the "horn" !) Isaiah 49:25; Daniel 7:21.

  It should be remembered that these actions that lead to the loss of the 'strong one' and the 'people who waver' (Isaiah 19:14) take place without intervention, without "the intervention of any human hand".

  Presenting the identity of the "man of lawlessness" from another angle, JEHOVAH inspired the prophet Isaiah to write:

  "And the Assyrian shall fall slain by a sword, but not of a man:..." Isaiah 31:8.

  -- Do you believe these things? Do you have the power to 'see' them?

  - The Reaper.

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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  wantingtruth

  Hello Kosonen, nice to see you! How are you?
  
  Now back to quotes, ... should be interesting to see (discern) how Jehovah "brings calamity on this people" , namely His own people, or the "Israel according to spirit"

  This verse is in accord to what He promises by the Song of Moses, Deuteronomy 32 ....

  it would be very good to to see the fulfilment of these expressions of God regarding His "sons and daughters" (the anointed ones) from the time of Bro. Russell until our days ...

  The fulfilment of the prophecies within this group of "anointed ones" and those associated with these ones, is what is important before Jehovah, because this is according to "worship with spirit" , and according to the "teaching of Christ" (which teaching is the foundation for the interpretation of prophecies)
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  wantingtruth

  Hi ! I love prophecies ... let us see Jeremiah 16 ....

  16 Thus saith Jehovah, Stand ye in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way; and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls: but they said, We will not walk therein.

  17 And I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet; but they said, We will not hearken.

  18 Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.

  19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words; and as for my law, they have rejected it.

  .......

  What are "their thoughts" and what are "the fruits of their thoughts" ?

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  Are Jw's God's Organization?

  by wantingtruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here i will quote a post written by "littleone" on another forum:.

  when that original congregation apostasized, it formed the roman catholic church.

  was it that the roman catholic church was jehovah's organization?

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  wantingtruth

  The first post in this topic was a quote of a person I appreciate much .

  
  

  Here I will express with my words how I see the situation, after reading the Scriptures:

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  ~~~ Jehovah's Organization -- how did Jesus called it ? ~~~

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  I have read the Bible .

  I have never found the word “organization”, nor the fact that God would ever had or has an "organization" on earth .

  The humans want to understand through the word “organization” God’s theocratic arrangement.

  BUT, what really would fit with this word (organization), it is found only in Heavens !

  God’s Organization (theocratic arrangement) is in Heaven and it is Heavenly.

  And when Jesus Christ came on earth , he did not call it “God’s organization” but God’s KINGDOM !

  WHAT is God's Organization (Kingdom) ?

  According to Jesus words in Matthew 6 :10

  "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth."

  ...we understand that His Organization (Kingdom) means the "state" or the "arrangement" where His will is done [not only at the declarative level]....

  ... and where God's authority is manifested >>> that implies that in God's Kingdom the willful sinner (or God's opponents) will not enter! - 1 Corinthians 6:9 / Psalms 101: 8.

  ...

  And furthermore, Jesus has taught us that Father’s will is that this [Heavenly] Kingdom to come on earth.

  And he taught us to pray for that.

  And because Father commanded to Jesus followers to “obey the Son” (Matt.17:5), we are praying until today “Let Your Kingdom come…”

  That is the most powerful proof that “God’s Organization” is not on earth today, because we all admit that His Kingdom is not here yet ( we are still praying for it to come) !

  Well, but then , what does God has on earth ?

  He says He has a people ! ... Acts 15:14 / Titus 2:14

  But has He always had “a people” on earth ?

  NO ! because the history of His chosen people begun with God’s “pulling his people out of Egypt”.

  So, before of that event God had individuals and "family" .

  When the Israelites entered in Egypt they were a “family” (of seventy souls). And there they become a "people". Genesis 46:6,27.

  And what God always had on earth are “human souls” because He is the OWNER of them ... Ezekiel 18:4

  “Behold, all souls are Mine;

  the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine

  The soul who sins will die."

  What is God doing “always” is as it follows :

  "The LORD looks down from heaven

  on all mankind

  to see if there are any who understand,

  any who seek God."

  Psalm 14:2.

  So, we can say that “always” God has been having on earth individuals who “seek after Him”, to know (understand) Him – but not "organization"!

  Now , Jesus has formed the “Christian community” within which God’s Kingdom has to come .

  And how does He did it ?

  To the "two greatest commandments" (to love God…and the neighbor) Jesus has added another one through which He fixed the "center" of the "Christian community".

  As a planet is formed by firstly fixing its “center/point of gravity” so did Jesus:

  He gave “a new commandment” to His followers:

  “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

  “By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

  John 13:34,35.

  Through these words Jesus has fixed the “center of gravity” for the Christian community !

  There was never need for a human "organization" to keep His faithful ones united !

  That commandment works (like a gravitational force) in those who really have faith in Jesus and it produces unity (not uniformity).

  Within this (worldwide) "community" (or eklesia) the Heavenly Kingdom of God will “come on earth” in short time / at God’s established time.

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  Regarding the much used phrase: “God doesn’t deal with individuals, only with his organization” there is an inspired scripture proving how God deals with men:

  Job 34:29

  "When He keeps quiet, who then can condemn?

  And when He hides His face, who then can behold Him,

  >>> That is, in regard to both nation and man. "

  So, Jehovah deals with “both nation and man”/ individuals and group of individuals/people/nation (his people)...

  ... while He may be "at peace" with a certain His servant , at the same time He may be "angered" over His nation , as a "whole"

  ... while He may be "at peace" with His "people" , He may manifest His anger over a certain "individual" who proves to be "law transgressor"

  
  

  Wantingtruth.
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  Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

  by IWant2Know in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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  wantingtruth

  Quote: "I would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church Christians, believe that many of JWs' doctrines and Bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?"

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  I would like to express what I have been taught from Bible , on matter ....

  (an input on Bible's prophecies regarding the latter days)
  

  Let consider that my english language's knowledges level is low , so have patience while reading ....

  https://thelatterdayschronology.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-latter-days-chronology-after.html

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  see also a list of scriptures concerning "God's people"...

  https://www.facebook.com/Seeker4GodsKingdom/posts/1596983540587058
  
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  Are Jw's God's Organization?

  by wantingtruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here i will quote a post written by "littleone" on another forum:.

  when that original congregation apostasized, it formed the roman catholic church.

  was it that the roman catholic church was jehovah's organization?

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  wantingtruth

  Here I will quote a post written by "littleone" on another forum:

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  When that original congregation apostasized, it formed the Roman Catholic Church.

  Was it that the Roman Catholic Church was Jehovah's organization? No. But it itself did hold Jehovah's anointed within it, did it not? What about the reformation periods? Jehovah still had his faithful anointed scattered thoughout the various sects and denominations of the nominal church.

  Was it that the baptists were God's organization? Was it that the anglican church, the presbyterian church, the adventist church, the pentecostal chuch, or any other church was to be considered Jehovah's earthly organization? No. But we do know that these various denominations had Jehovah's anointed within them. Likewise, even today, we know that Jehovah has anointed within the Jehovah's Witness congregations, but does that in itself mean that the WTBTS is Jehovah's earthly organization? Of course not.

  It can be said that these various anointed belong to Jehovah's heavenly organization, but it cannot be said that the earthly organization of Jehovah's Witnesses itself is God's organization. For we ourselves gathered here, at this site, also claim that we have anointed present, do we not? But do we dare declare ourselves as Jehovah's new earthly organization? Perhaps we should start writing posts to praise the e-jehovahs-witnesses.com website, declaring it as Jehovah's new earthly organization... telling people that they can only find salvation through this website... may that never happen!
  
  Likewise, how many here are active members of Jehovah's Witnesses? Of course there are some. But many here were either disfellowshipped, which means they were kicked out and therefore no longer members of Jehovah's Witnesses, or they disassociated themselves, which also means they're no longer members of Jehovah's Witnesses. Also, we have members here who never were Jehovah's witnesses to begin with... like myself. But of those who are disfellowshipped, disassociated, or who never became members of Jehovah's Witnesses, are we all to be considered OUTSIDE of Jehovah's organization? May that never happen! For if that is the case, then WOE to us! For we have found ourselves as opposers of Jehovah himself!
  
  This is also why everything that was carefully concealed within that organization is now being revealed. The "proof" that was used to show that the Jehovah's Witness organization was indeed Jehovah's earthly organization has now perished.

  It has been revealed from heaven that the claims made about 1914-1918 are NOT SO.

  It has been revealed from heaven that Jesus did not come in 1914-1918 to cleanse the temple.

  It has been revealed from heaven that Jesus did not come in 1914-1918 to appoint the "faithful slave" over all of his belongings.

  His "belongings" by the way also include those god fearing people of the "nominal church". Rather, what has it revealed? Transgression. Transgression against whom? Jesus Christ and Jehovah God. Transgression by whom? By those who made these claims to begin with, and by those who refuse to be reproved today concerning those claims.
  
  Jehovah's organization is that which it has always been since Pentecost 33 CE. It is still comprised of Jesus Christ as its foundation cornerstone, the Apostles and prophets as its foundation stones, and Jehovah's anointed being harmoniously joined together to be built up together for a place for Jehovah to inhabit with spirit. Anyone who is a part of this heavenly organization has no fear of being kicked out of any earthly organization... for their organization is that which is in the heavens, and has nothing to do with any earthly organization.

  Jesus did say that whenever two or more are gathered "in his name" (let the reader discern that I did not say "those who claim to gather in his name"), that he himself will be there. Likewise, Jehovah himself will be there with spirit and power. It does not matter what earthly organization these ones are apart of, for Jehovah recognizes none except the one in which he himself established through his son Jesus Christ... that organization is a heavenly one. This organization is also extensively organized, because it has Jesus Christ as its head. He himself is now alive and acting as head and Master over this heavenly organization... a perfect governor, one ruling to perfection those whom look to him for salvation.
  
  I am not trying to prove that Jehovah's Witnesses are not god's people.... for I believe that all persons belong to him.

  But one may ask: "Where was Jehovah's earthly organization before CT Russell and the Bible Students came along?"

  The answer that most Jehovah's witnesses would give is that Jehovah during that time had faithful anointed followers that were "scattered about" throughout the various religious organizations of the times. And that these ones themselves were apart of his organization. I doubt any Witnesses would say that his earthly organization was the various churches of Christendom themselves during that time.... rather, they would say that Jehovah's organization was separate from that. Likewise, on that same thought, I contend that Jehovah's Organization now is the same one that existed even back then.... separate from ANY earthly organization.

  Likewise, I also believe that if anything is formed by man, and said to represent Jehovah's heavenly organization, then I contend that this thing formed is indeed an Idol. And those that made it are idolators. And I also contend that all those who either in word or deed that bend their knees to such an idol are also guilty of Idolatry, and need to be warned so they can turn around and repent.

  The scriptures clearly state that Jesus Christ is the way to Jehovah (John 14:6). Whoever teaches that the way to Jehovah is through an organization is teaching something contrary to Jesus Christ. Just as the Roman Catholics teach that salvation only comes THROUGH the church, can we at the same time teach people that salvation only comes through the Jehovah's Witness organization? If so, we're idolators and are in need of repentance, because we have replaced Jesus Christ with something else... this is idolatry. If we teach that salvation rest THROUGH any man or group including the anointed themselves, then we're idolators, and in need of repentance. For we have replaced Jesus Christ with something else... this is idolatry. For the scriptures clearly teach there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved... except Jesus Christ. (Acts 4:12)
  
  The "brotherhood" of the anointed, those who are members of the spiritual temple act as ambassadors substituting for Christ. Their mission is to tell those of the earth to "become reconciled to God!" How does one become reconciled to God? Only through Jesus Christ whom is alive and ruling as head and Master over the congregation of God in power and glory in the heavens (2Cor 5:20). He is "the way", "the truth", and "the life" (John 4:16)

  Noone, noone, noone, comes to the father except through Jesus Christ. He is the gatekeeper. And anyone or anything that comes in his place is a thief and a plunderer. (John 10:1-16)
  
  The God that made the world and all the things in it, being, as this One is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples (nor earthly buildings, or earthly organizations), neither is he attended to by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all (persons) life and breath and all things. And he made out of one (man) every nation of men, to dwell upon the entire surface of the earth, and he decreed the appointed times and he set limits of the dwelling of (men), for them to seek God, if they might grope for him and really find him, although in fact, he is not far off from each one of us. - Acts 17:24-31

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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

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  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  Scripture for the day:

  ~~~ Above everything guard your heart ! - Why? ~~~

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  Proverbs 4: 23

  Above everything else guard your heart,

  because from it flow the springs of life.

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  Mark 7 :

  18. And He said to them, “Are you also as lacking in understanding?

  Don’t you realize that nothing going into a man from the outside can defile him?

  19. For it doesn’t go into his heart but into the stomach and is eliminated.” (As a result, He made all foods clean.)

  20. Then He said, “What comes out of a person—that defiles him.

  21. For from within, out of people’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immoralities, thefts, murders,

  22. adulteries, greed, evil actions, deceit, promiscuity, stinginess, blasphemy, pride, and foolishness.

  23. All these evil things come from within and defile a person.”

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  1 Thessalonians 4 :

  2. For you know what commands we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

  3. For this is God’s will, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality,

  4. so that each of you knows how to control his own body in sanctification and honor,

  5. not with lustful desires, like the Gentiles who don’t know God.

  6. This means one must not transgress against and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger of all these offenses, as we also previously told and warned you.

  7. For God has not called us to impurity but to sanctification.

  8. Therefore, the person who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who also gives you His Holy Spirit.

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  Hebrews 10 :

  26. For if we sin deliberately

  >>> after receiving the knowledge of the truth,

  >>> there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

  27. but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.

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  Hebrews 3: 12

  Watch out, brothers, so that there won’t be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart that departs from the living God.

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  James 1: 21

  Therefore, ridding yourselves of all moral filth and evil,

  >>> humbly receive the implanted word, which is able to save you.

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  Questions for study:

  1) Why should a man guard his heart ?

  2) From what kind of heart do the evil things listed by Jesus come out?

  3) What is God's will for us?

  4) What does "holy" (holiness) mean in accordance with God's word?

  5) Is there still a "sacrifice for sins" if we sin willingly after receiving the knowledge of the truth?

  6) How can we obtain salvation?

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  Please study God's Prophetic Word which foretells what is to happen within His people during the "latter days" :

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  https://www.facebook.com/Seeker4GodsKingdom/posts/1596983540587058

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  JW visit...after 12 years out

  by Nobleheart1 in

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  i used to post here under the name nobleheart but forgot the old password, so put up a new account (nobleheart1).

  was a jw (2002-2011), ended up writing a da letter.

  i am a christian (since leaving the org).

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  Tell them what you have found in Bible :

  https://www.facebook.com/Seeker4GodsKingdom/posts/1614000245552054