Posts by wantingtruth

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David Splane's Eternal Torment

by Damn The Watchtower in

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friends

david splane not only believes in eternal torment, he practices it.. in our 2010 dvd, jehovah's witnesses faith in action, part 1: out of darkness , br.

splane said this starting at 14:16, "he (russell) could never reconcile the teaching of eternal torment with the description of the bible of a loving god.

as he examined the creeds of the great churches when he saw that they taught that the wicked are tormented eternally, why, he just could not accept that.

wantingtruth

Are you usually this good at starting conversations?

No, I am not good at starting conversations

english is not mine

for this reason I am only inviting men (an specially Christians) to think... to God's word

wantingtruth

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Samuel Herd a Murderer?

by Damn The Watchtower in

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friends

hello folks,.

i feel like a fish who has been struggling for oxygen so long he's almost dead.

time to grow some legs and get the hell out of hell.

wantingtruth

"... the Governing Body, as a whole, is a mechanized body of men whose main purpose is the preservation of a system not the search for truth."

I think I have read on this forum something similar...

wantingtruth

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David Splane's Eternal Torment

by Damn The Watchtower in

jw
friends

david splane not only believes in eternal torment, he practices it.. in our 2010 dvd, jehovah's witnesses faith in action, part 1: out of darkness , br.

splane said this starting at 14:16, "he (russell) could never reconcile the teaching of eternal torment with the description of the bible of a loving god.

as he examined the creeds of the great churches when he saw that they taught that the wicked are tormented eternally, why, he just could not accept that.

wantingtruth

While it may appear that the Watchtower leadership moves as a block it does not believe as a block. It will crack and when it does a true hellfire will occur at Bethel.

Hello DTW

How are you ? Have you read Obadiah ?

1. The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord Jehovah concerning Edom: We have heard tidings from Jehovah, and an ambassador is sent among the nations, saying,

Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.

2. Behold, I have made thee small among the nations: thou art greatly despised.

3. The pride of thy heart hath deceived thee, O thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

4. Though thou mount on high as the eagle, and though thy nest be set among the stars, I will bring thee down from thence, saith Jehovah.

5. If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night (how art thou cut off!), would they not steal only till they had enough? if grape-gatherers came to thee, would they not leave some gleaning grapes?

6. How are the things of Esau searched! how are his hidden treasures sought out!

7. All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee on thy way, even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread lay a snare under thee: there is no understanding in him.

8. Shall I not in that day, saith Jehovah, destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?

9. And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one may be cut off from the mount of Esau by slaughter.

10. For the violence done to thy brother Jacob, shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

Let you consider that the Edom = Esau = the GB

and "thy brother Jacob" are the simply anointed ones who don't "worship" the GB .

The question is , what do you understand Obadiah is saying ?

wantingtruth

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Samuel Herd a Murderer?

by Damn The Watchtower in

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friends

hello folks,.

i feel like a fish who has been struggling for oxygen so long he's almost dead.

time to grow some legs and get the hell out of hell.

wantingtruth

I also believe that the Watchtower will be corrected just as ancient Israel was corrected.

welcome , DTW !

I also believe that the WT will be corrected just as ancient Israel was corrected when Jesus came at them !

They did not received Him, so they (as nation ) were abandoned ! >> the same with WT and its GB !

11 He came unto his own, and they that were his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name:

So , to them ( the remnant of the members of WT that are/will flee out of WT and) that will listen to Him (Matt 17:5) He is giving the right to become children of God

wantingtruth

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

wantingtruth

Witnes Your Fury , (you have all rights to do so)

would you believe that God doesn't want us to fill our mind with ancient chronology and datas ?

try to understand this !

After studying the Bible I came to see/realize that God have ever known that He wrote regarding ancient events in an “hidden way” ( Proverbs 25:2 ), and so, He didn’t command to his worshipers to find the real/exact chronology or data of events of human history and its empires and states from Adam until today
in case He would command this , knowing how difficult is to come to a conclusion in chronology and how much time it requires , then God’s worshipers would be called “historians” not “Christians”

But now , though, a certain “chronology” there is , and God does invite us to understand it , even in order to “know the judgement”

Ecclesiastes 8:5 Whoso keepeth the commandment shall know no evil thing;
and a wise man’s heart discerneth time and judgment

Yes , it is a good thing to know the time of God’s judgement
here are Jesus words / Luke 19
41. And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,
42. saying, If thou hadst known in this day, even thou, the things which belong unto peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43. For the days shall come upon thee, when thine enemies shall cast up a bank about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44. and shall dash thee to the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another;
because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

here we are able to see that is a good thing to be able to recognize the time of our “visitation” >> that implies a few knowledge of “chronology”

BUT what chronology ?

The chronology God requires from us to search for, is part of prophecies regarding “God’s people during the latter days” , as He said to Daniel
chapter 10
14. Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall
– thy people
– in the latter days; for the vision is yet for many days:

It follows that the chronology God is requiring from us/His worshipers to search for, is in fact the chronology of the latter days !

Here is a research on the “latter days chronology” , as I was able to put it in english:

http://reslight.net/forum/index.php/topic,1207.0.html

wantingtruth

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Explanation of the image in Daniel

by What Now? in

hey everyone!.

we just had our convention this weekend and heard the "new light" regarding the feet of the image in daniel.

even the speaker made the comment that he had given that talk a number of times and didn't quite get it himself.

wantingtruth

Anyways ... I was just wondering, do any of you know of any other explanations for what the image represents? Is it only the Witnesses that believe the feet represent the Anglo-American world power?

I am sorry I am late, see my post in the following thread

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/213107/1/I-have-question-about-the-new-light-on-the-statues-toes

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to the making of many books is worrisom!

by TheLoveDoctor in

to the making of many books is worrisome as the bible says yet the last time we received a ypa book it was 2008 volume 1, 2 now this weekend we received volume 1 revised.

wow and so many are excited about us killing so many trees to repeat the same thing over and over again.

i need to vent a bit and could easily get on to many issues of wtbts and its goober body.

wantingtruth

TDaze, what do you think/understand I said ?

I do not point to any "end of the world data"

I point to the fact that the next year the allowed time of God for the MOL to "reign" in the Temple will come to end

that means great changes has to be within JW the next years

the changes that are prophetised about in Ezekiel 21

25. And thou, O deadly wounded wicked one, the prince of Israel, whose day is come, in the time of the iniquity of the end,

26. thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Remove the mitre, and take off the crown; this shall be no more the same;

exalt that which is low, (the least of His brothers)

and abase that which is high. (the MoL)

27. I will overturn, overturn, overturn it: this also shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

So, the time/years will continue untill this word will be accomplished !

wantingtruth

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I have question about the new light on the statues toes

by Igot2bme in

my son went to the dc this past weekend and we visited on the phone for a bit about what he picked up there.

he of course was sad and worried for us because we no longer have anything to do with the org.

we covered alot of issues that had to do with why i felt that the org did not have gods holy spirit.

wantingtruth

Until someone will post the WT significance of the "toes"

I will post here what I have found through a deep study on matter:

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The prophecy of the great image of Daniel 2 is in fact the history of the "society" (WT)and the people associated with it - during the period called "the latter days" - that is, starting with 1872.

Now, Jehovah who knows the end of a thing from its beginning has foretold in His prophecies what is to happen to this "society"
the "society" was prefigured by the great image of Daniel 2

--at the beginning it was of "gold" - something good and "pure" / of value before God (during Russell's time )

--then of "silver" something of value, but less value than at the beginning (during Rutherford's time )

-- the third "material" was "brass" - that is IMITATION of gold , so it is made by the great imitator of God, Satan - it describes "the organization" under the leadership of MOL (this MOL has the authority directly from Dragon / Rev 13:2 ) - starting with 1942 with Knorr and further...

-- it follows the "iron and clay" : we are today at this point:
the toes partly of iron and partly of clay do represent two types of human character of those involved in this society ( the organization ruled by WTBTS )

the iron :
Isaiah 48:
4. Because I knew that thou art obstinate,
and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;

the "iron" = those who don't let themselves be modeled/shaped by God's word , those who are opposing to God's commandments and warnings

the clay
Isaiah 64:
8. But now, O Jehovah, thou art our Father; we are the clay,
and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

the "clay" = those (characters) who let Father's word work in their hearth and are ready to make changes (repent)

.....................................................

- - the "iron" are the ones having the "mark of the beast" on their forehead and hand (totally idolizing the WT org. and its GB)
while
- - the "clay" are God's sheep ( prisoners of this organization) which must be pulled out/made free from under the "Pharaoh"s domination and brought into God's Kingdom ( Micah 7:15 )
this is an action started /ongoing
..............................................................

Today the "angels" send by Jesus are sounding with "God's trumpet" and advertising that God is going to punish the "city" (so called His organization) because of its practicing idolatry ( obeying the GB and WTS more than His Son )

the "iron" doesn't want to hear that and goes ahead on their own way (manifesting their obstinacy)

the "clay" pay attention to what the Son is teaching through the Spirit of truth and is ready to obey (and repent)

there is no possibility to be unity between these two types of "worshipers" of God

at this time the Kingdom is "coming" on earth .

The "coming" of the Kingdom means/results in the disintegration of the WT organization - (the great image)

I truly hope this may be understood,

wantingtruth

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to the making of many books is worrisom!

by TheLoveDoctor in

to the making of many books is worrisome as the bible says yet the last time we received a ypa book it was 2008 volume 1, 2 now this weekend we received volume 1 revised.

wow and so many are excited about us killing so many trees to repeat the same thing over and over again.

i need to vent a bit and could easily get on to many issues of wtbts and its goober body.

wantingtruth

I cannot wait for the fall of all religion

your wish will quickly became reality

the next year (2012) the "70 years of Babylon" will end , and the fall will begin with the fall of the "daughter of Babylon" or WTS.

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After leaving Jw's did you go into another religion or serv. god ur own way?

by average joe in

i am just curious if you guys left jw's and now worship in some other relgion or worship in your own way?

have you sworn off organized religion ?

if you have not sworn off organized religion then i wonder what relgion seems to be the right one for you guys?

wantingtruth

After being made free of man made organized religion , is the best time and opportunity to learn from Jesus , listen to him and "seeking first the Kingdom of God"

then the rest will be added to us

what "the rest" ? - community ( congregation , christian friends , the necessary knowledge, etc )

during our life in the org we were in the "wilderness"

there God is making (preparing) a way (of worshiping)

Isaiah 35

8. And a highway shall be there, and a way; and it shall be called the Holy Way.

The unclean shall not pass over it, but it shall be for the redeemed;

the wayfaring men, yes, the simple ones and fools, shall not err in it and lose their way.

(Amplified Bible)

For those loving God , Jesus and God's righteousness , it is "the way of holiness"