Posts by wantingtruth

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Exerps, Conversation/Debate with a close old friend still in the Borg. Comments please!

by dark angle in

part 1. .

she was suspecting me that i'm no longer interested in the borg, and she was trying to get a confession.

this is how our conversation went out.

wantingtruth

"Being Gods organization without being inspired by him, I found this is incredible."

In fact God never said that He has an "earthly organization", nor He called his arrangement an "organization"

what men call/name "God's organization" should be a way of living (for humankind) according to God's will (or strictly obeing God) - yet God doesn't call this: "organization" , He call it "God's Kingdom" and "The Kingdom of Heavens"

(that means that the Kingdom is of God and is Heavenly - NOT earthly )

and God sent his Son on earth to preach this Kingdom and to teach that it will come on earth

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to call/name a human arrangement(with its limitations) "God's organization" it is even a blasfemy.

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The gentile times reconsidered.

by joe134cd in

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wantingtruth

The gentile times had to be "reconsidered" !

Why ? - because they (the seven times) are part of "later days" prophecies , therefore the "gentile times" or the "seven times" are shorter than the "latter days" , are only a part of the latter days ! So no need to look for the "gentile times" as starting sometime before our era ....

Why so ? - because the spiritual understanding of Daniel's prophecies requires that they have to happen/take place during the latter days , and within God's people (so not with political powers)

Because the "gentile times" are exactly a part of Daniel's prophecy , Jehovah sent an angel to Daniel to tell him when and to whom will theese prophecies happen : Daniel 10:14

"Now I come to make thee understand what shall befall
-- thy people
-- in the latter days / for the vision is yet for many days "

See the study "The latter days chronology"

Try to understand it.

wt.

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How would you define RELIGION, and why?

by Fernando in

"judge" rutherford defined or classified all religion as "a snare and a racket" in his books "religion" and "enemies".. after rutherford's death in 1942, his protege, watchtower vice president, and aclu darling, hayden c. covington, in the early 1950's, for reasons of legal expedience and supremacist aspirations, suddenly converted the watchtower into a religion.. this was done alongside one of the most audacious, spurious and longstanding swindles of the us legal system.

this involved twisting philippians 1:7 and misrepresenting the watchtower's true nature, objectives and activities.. .

this meant that it became necessary for the watchtower to suddenly reclassify and redefine religion (w51 1/15 p. 43 new legal booklet well named; w51 8/15 p. 511 questions from readers; yb75 p. 161 part 2 "for gladys bolton...").. two new watchtower classifications were suddenly created: "true religion" and "false religion".. now "true religion" meant "true beliefs" whilst "belief" in ever changing watchtower doctrine was equated with the one "faith" of scripture.. all this while the watchtower increasingly and maliciously truncated, obfuscated and hid the liberating full "good news" (or unabridged gospel) of scripture, which it lyingly claimed (in court) that it was actually "defending and legally establishing".. how would you have defined religion before learning ttatt?.

wantingtruth

hello,

apart of what lingvistically "religion" may mean , I would compare "religion" with Jesus way of naming the "adoration of Father"

He said / John 4:24

"God is a Spirit. And they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

Therefore "religion" is EVERY kind (and ALL kinds) of "worship" or "adoration" which is NOT in spirit and NOT in truth .

or, all manifestations of "adoration" beyond of what "worship in spirit and in truth" means .

wt.

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Luke 12:45 - Does that mean the F&D can go "bad"?

by thedepressedsoul in

the more i read the gospels the more i get the feeling that jesus warns about organized religion or those that overbear on your faith telling you completely how to worship god.

let's say luke chapter 12 is talking about the f&s.

does vs 45 on mean that the f&s can turn bad so to speak?

wantingtruth

Welcome "the depressedsoul"

the knowledge of truth we may acquire by meditating at God's word may help with depression

I have meditated and I invite also you to do so .

friendly, wt.

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1914 C.E. ....the false positive of "1914"

by jjones in

in math, a false postive is a number that looks like the correct answer but is not.. .

i have written an article that discusses jehovah's witnesses interpretation of daniels prophecy of the "appointed times of the nations".

the article demonstrates mathematically that, if a person excepts that interpretation, the number "1914" could not possible equal the date 1914 c.e.

wantingtruth

Greetings Jjones,

and welcome !

wt

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Tine

by Jon Preston in

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wantingtruth

In case you believe in God and love him , He will lead you

How ?

simply, He said (regarding his Son, Jesus Christ ) :

"This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!" Matt.17:5.

So, read all what Jesus has taught us and try to put it in practice : this is the life of a Christian .

wt

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Progess!

by Jon Preston in

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well my wife asked me loint blank..."do you wanna be a witness anymore?

" and i told her no.. .

we then went into 1914 and shunning and 1975 and she said sheswondered many times about it.. anyways she said "so what do we do now?

wantingtruth

Hi John Preston, your wife is wonderfull , a real help for you.

Now , once you both are out of "org" , there is an open "door" in front of you to be real Christians

Jesus said: "Seek first God's Kingdom and His righteousness" ...you will find that these words of Jesus will have a new significance for you after leaving the org.

Follow Jesus and remain in his teaching and you will have both the Son and the Father ! 2John 1:9

wt

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What is the deal with the "this is the last memorial" comments from my JW?

by jambon1 in

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the guy i know was saying this the other day.. "it's been suggested this may be the last one", or words to that effect.. where & by whom?.

is this doing the rounds?.

wantingtruth

( they would like to be the last one because... )

They are hoping that maybe will escape (from) God's judgement / but its not possible ! They have to fully suffer the shame for the "works" they did !

wt

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Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

by leaving_quietly in

wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

" in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

wantingtruth

Greetings,

I think is worthy to read this blog (not mine ) .

wt

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1914 - "A Turning Point In History"?

by Bobcat in

the february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".

setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.

certainly wwi was a big war.

wantingtruth

Hi Bobcat,

I understand time is precious for everybody so I try to be short

I firstly would rebuild my thought: the "1914" wasn't a "turrning point" even for the world history . It was more precisely an "accelerating point" for the unfolding of the 20th century' (humankind's ) history events ... (Im not sure how "english" sounds my expression , but I hope you readers understand )

I repeat the fact that the 1914' thing has no relevance for the "worshiper with spirit" of God , simply because all the theories around it have nothing to do with the "teaching of Christ" ! - it it beyound the limits of Jesus teachings / see 2John 1:9.

I mean, both the expectances believed to take place that year , as also the methods and reasons used for the calculation of that year were NOT biblical, and beyound of "Christ's teaching", so they were absolutely wrong, and worse than that, theirs believing in that idea (regarding 1914) has imprimed a bad course of God's people before their God.

If you will read this (my) post , what do you understand ?

wt.