Posts by JustHuman14

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From the WBTS website "Do Not Be a Victim of Propaganda!"

by middleman in

read the first paragraph (below)....wow how/why do they write this stuff?.

"there is a differencea big differencebetween education and propaganda.

education shows you how to think.

JustHuman14

The writting department of the WT is amazing...

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Pagan Decorations Allowed in Society's Buildings?

by compound complex in

in search of christian freedom, ray franz, pages 274, 275.. .

i recall that when the watch tower society purchased a former motion picture theatre in queens, new york, for use as an assembly hall, the theatre had an ancient egyptian motif throughout.

over the marquee, the front of the building had large tiles depicting various egyptian gods and goddesses, one even carrying the crux ansata.

JustHuman14

Russell was using Occult Symbols in the cover of his books, didn't he? Sun RA, the Pyramid, Eye of the Horas...so do you think that WT really get rid their Occult past???

NOT IN A MILLION YEARS

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WATCHTOWER'S NEW POLICY FOR USING THEIR LOGO...

by JustHuman14 in

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i don't know if anyone else wrote a similar subject, but since i didn't see any post, i have decided to post for this subject.

so the km of april had an article regarding using wt's logo.

it was in the greek km.

JustHuman14

Thanks for your reply. Does anyone recall the older post regarding this issue? Well nice way to make more money!!!

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WATCHTOWER'S NEW POLICY FOR USING THEIR LOGO...

by JustHuman14 in

jw
friends

i don't know if anyone else wrote a similar subject, but since i didn't see any post, i have decided to post for this subject.

so the km of april had an article regarding using wt's logo.

it was in the greek km.

I don't know if anyone else wrote a similar subject, but since I didn't see any post, I have decided to post for this subject. So the KM of April had an article regarding using WT'S logo. It was in the Greek KM. So WT does not allow any Congregations to use outside their Hall the WT logo. Also no body of elders in any Cong should use the logo in their letters. Most impressive is that if any KH that is going to be renovated they must REMOVE the WT logo from the Hall, and if possible all KH that have the logo they must remove it if that will not cost a lot of money...

So isn't this kind of strange. I recall KH's when I was kid that they were build with the WT logo in the entrance. Why would WT wan't to remove their logo from the KH that actually owns???

Isn't this strange?Not allowing to have your logo at a building that you actually own??

I don't know but something fishy comes from this announcement....

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Clarifying the Trinity Doctrine

by UnDisfellowshipped in

since there is so much confusion among ex-jw's, jw's, and christians in general about exactly what the trinity doctrine is, i decided to post this to clarify this teaching.. the historical trinity doctrine of the christian (protestant and catholic) churches has always been this:.

* there is only one true god by nature.. * there are three distinct persons who share equally the nature of god.. * there are not three different gods (that is the false doctrine of tritheism or polytheism).. * there is not one person who is revealed three different ways (that is the false doctrine of modalism).. * however, each person of the trinity does have his own "role" or "function.

" the son willingly obeys the father.

JustHuman14

BurnTheShips you pointed again very good issues regarding apostasy. Perry unforutanately the Papal Church fell into serious mistakes when they broke from the Apostolic Church. I feel my self privaleged because I can read the Bible the way it was written in Greek. So I can have a complete idea how it was mistranslated from Greek to Latin.

There is much difference from the Orthodox Church and the Papal Church. Orthodox Church NEVER burned in fire those who disagree with them. When Papal Church try to burn Galileo because he said the eath was round, the Orthodox Church never bothered to deal with such rediculous issues, since we Greeks KNEW that the Earth was round thousands of years ago!! The reason that Protestands face persecution it was due to Papal's Church hatred a result because they left the Original Church.

Most of all I can trace ALL THE LINE OF BISHOPS 2000 YEARS from James the First Bishop. This is something that NO ONE else can prove their succesion. Even the Papal Church that they became heretics after schisma in 1080 AD

The Orthodox Christians in Constantinople suffered 2 major crusades by the Papal Church, and they have destroyed the Capitol, seize holy relics, steal gold,raped, killed CHRISTIANS. The end of the East Roman Empire came by the Turks that found a half dead empire. The Papal Church did not even helped the East Roman Christians(Byzantine)from the Ottoman attack. It was the end of the most long lasted Empire 1000 years. An Empire that was so precious in CHRISTIAN HISTORY

There is so much difference between the 2 churches. Also just to clarify this, for the Apostolic Church there is no condemnation for the rest of Christian dominations. We strongly beleive that ALL we will be SAVED THROUGH OR LORD AND GOD JESUS....

But there is one question: Why have cotton when you can have SILK?

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New Archimedes writings discovered. Calculus existed in antiquity.

by BurnTheShips in

a palimpsest discovered.

the ancient greeks had a grip on calculus.. pretty amazing.. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/8974/title/a_prayer_for_archimedes.

bts.

JustHuman14

There are many other things that we have. For istance the Kethera computer. A divice that shows the rotation of the stars and moon. Parthenon a masterpiece structure that still has a lot of mysteries...

Well in the film my Greek Fat Wedding, Mr. Portokalos said to Ian: "When we were writting history your anscestors were hanging over trees"!!!

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Clarifying the Trinity Doctrine

by UnDisfellowshipped in

since there is so much confusion among ex-jw's, jw's, and christians in general about exactly what the trinity doctrine is, i decided to post this to clarify this teaching.. the historical trinity doctrine of the christian (protestant and catholic) churches has always been this:.

* there is only one true god by nature.. * there are three distinct persons who share equally the nature of god.. * there are not three different gods (that is the false doctrine of tritheism or polytheism).. * there is not one person who is revealed three different ways (that is the false doctrine of modalism).. * however, each person of the trinity does have his own "role" or "function.

" the son willingly obeys the father.

JustHuman14

It seems that the subject is going strong!!!! For those who try to explain Trinity with Human thinking:

Can you explain with Human mind the idea that God has no beggining or end?

Can you explain that He is beyond Time and Time cannot have any effect on God?

Can you explain how He can be omnipresent?

Can you explain ressurection?

Can you explain the mystery of Holy Communion when the Wine and Bread turns into the REAL FLESH AND BLOOD OF JESUS?

Can you explain miracles that Saints perform and cured and STILL cure believers?

There many things that Human understanding cannot conceive. You try to explain Trinity with human mind and you condemn something you do not understand.

Well Trinity was in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament. The Word was with God, and GOD WAS THE WORD...

Perhaps is about time to see the real problem that you will have when you do not accept JESUS AS THE GOD....For the Early Apostolic Church, we have writtings from the Succesors of the Apostoles, like Bishop Ignatios 120AD and many more early writtings that accepted Trinity... The only problem is that the Protestands and Unitarians have broke from the Roman Catholic Church who unforutnately left with a schisma the Holy Apostolic Church. Protestands have no idea of the History and writtings that the Early Apostolic Church has and most of all NO APOSTOLIC SUCCESION...

The reason that the Nicaia Synodos was held it was a matter of definition for the Trinity dogma, that was accepted AS A FACT for more than 300 years of Christian Apostolic history. Arius was a heretic and he was severe panished by God (died in toilet the same day)for his attitude to question what was given from the Holy Spirit to the Apostles.

JustHuman14 formely known justhuman

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Can most Witnesses distinguish between God and the WT Organization?

by BonaFide in

yesterday, in one of those conversations i try to have, i talked to an older sister.

she was waiting outside the hall for her ride, so i sat down and talked to her, just about like old times as a witness, theocratic history.

she has been baptized 38 years.. anyway, i was saying about why did some leave in 1975. she replied, "well, they got impatient with jehovah, and they took it out on him by leaving.".

JustHuman14

Not in a Million years my friend. For JW's God=Organization. If you are part of that Org then you "love"God, either wise if you no longer be part of their Org(and beside the fact that you found a new faith and Jesus)still you will be accused that you don't love God

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Clarifying the Trinity Doctrine

by UnDisfellowshipped in

since there is so much confusion among ex-jw's, jw's, and christians in general about exactly what the trinity doctrine is, i decided to post this to clarify this teaching.. the historical trinity doctrine of the christian (protestant and catholic) churches has always been this:.

* there is only one true god by nature.. * there are three distinct persons who share equally the nature of god.. * there are not three different gods (that is the false doctrine of tritheism or polytheism).. * there is not one person who is revealed three different ways (that is the false doctrine of modalism).. * however, each person of the trinity does have his own "role" or "function.

" the son willingly obeys the father.

JustHuman14

Narkissos you have indeed pointed very good issues regarding Trinity. The problem with WT is that attacks the Trinity dogma without really expain their points. They are heretics and follow Arius herecy that came 16 centuries ago. Nicaia Synodos had to verify the Trinity dogma since at that time no one has ever challenge what was believed and accepted by the Early Apostolic Church. That Jesus is God, like the Father and Holy Spirit. We find this at the early letters of the succesors of the Apostoles and Bishops, like bishop Ignatius 120 A.D. They just wipe out the entire history of the Apostolic Church in order to give support to their existense.

Unfortunately WT ignores all the facts, like letters from the early Bishops that show they accepted Trinity. They just drag from the Bible single verses to point out that God, the Father is superior from Jesus and Jesus is created. They ignore (as usual)verses that indicate the opposite, such as the devine name YHWH that the Father, Son, Holy Spirit share. Also when Jesus was on Earth he had the human nature, therefore He had a lower nature from the Father who was spirit.

The worst thing is that they try to explain Godly things with human thinking, nature and logic. Jesus said that I cannot reveal to you the entire heavenly things because you will not understand them. Indeed Christianity from certain point and beyond logic stops and then faith comes in. Like reserrection, Trinity, Holy Communion, Baptism, are some of the Seven Mysteries of the Church that we accept them beyond any logical explaination.

JustHuman14 formely known justhuman

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Clarifying the Trinity Doctrine

by UnDisfellowshipped in

since there is so much confusion among ex-jw's, jw's, and christians in general about exactly what the trinity doctrine is, i decided to post this to clarify this teaching.. the historical trinity doctrine of the christian (protestant and catholic) churches has always been this:.

* there is only one true god by nature.. * there are three distinct persons who share equally the nature of god.. * there are not three different gods (that is the false doctrine of tritheism or polytheism).. * there is not one person who is revealed three different ways (that is the false doctrine of modalism).. * however, each person of the trinity does have his own "role" or "function.

" the son willingly obeys the father.

JustHuman14

There is a nice example that can help us to understand Trinity.

We have the Sun and from the Sun comes out the Light and Heat. The Sun is the Source for the other 2 Elements and without the Sun they cannot exist. We feel the Heat and see the Light, both Elements are Part of the Sun, they originate from the Sun. We do not seperate the Light from the Heat and the Source(star). We take those 3 Elements as One.

So with the same logic we understand Trinity. The same with the Father. The Father(Sun)is the source for Logos(Light) and Holy Spirit(Heat) and they co-exist. But Father he is Higher than the rest 2 only in a matter of the Source. So we have indeed One God with 3 substances.

When Arius the heretic Bishop tried to pass his idea, that it was illogic to have 3 Gods in One, Bishop Spyridon from Cyprus he explained in a very simple gesture that Arius was wrong: He took a roof clay in his hand and squeeze it. Then it was separated in 3 pieces, Water, Fire, Mud. Fire went up, Water fell on the floor, and Mud remained in the hands of the Saint. Although we have one Element it is made of 3 substances.

JustHuman14 formely known justhuman