Indeed they are promoting hate, but they will never tell that, will they? I'm a disfellowshiped person and I feel the hate, SOCIAL ISOLATION, and the cut off from family ties. If you ask anyone who is in the possition like me, they will say that our human rights are violated. So it is better for the WT to start respecting the human rights for their ex-members if they do not wish Goverments to go after them..
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WT 15th Feb 2011;Treatment of DF'ed/DA'ed Family Members
by jookbeard inis this a newer hard line stance or has it been similar for the last couple of years?
there clearly must be a problem in this area in regards to nations that appear to have far stronger family units not adhering to the previous warnings, the wt article definitely has a barf alert comparing jeehobah's feelings when the angels rebelled in heaven!
well how the hell would they have know his feelings?.
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April 15th WT - WT Society says " Obeying Us is Same as Obeying God "
by flipper inthis is a non-study article in the witness only version of the april 15th titled " do you discern the evidence of god's guidance ?
" essentially in this article the alleged " faithful slave " is telling witnesses that to be approved to survive armageddon- they will have to recognize the " faithful & discreet slave's " authority in their lives.. notice these direct quotes from pg.
4 , " jesus christ is the assigned leader of the congregation.
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they are tightening the screws!!! I just don't know how long the rank and file will go on like that. As I have seen the new GB members and specially that idiot, Losch are even more hard than the old ones...
I don't know for how long the GB will continue this blasphemy, by replacing Jesus. At the end of the day they might come up that they are the ones who died for our sins and not Jesus...
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WT 15th Feb 2011;Treatment of DF'ed/DA'ed Family Members
by jookbeard inis this a newer hard line stance or has it been similar for the last couple of years?
there clearly must be a problem in this area in regards to nations that appear to have far stronger family units not adhering to the previous warnings, the wt article definitely has a barf alert comparing jeehobah's feelings when the angels rebelled in heaven!
well how the hell would they have know his feelings?.
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they do have problems with Nations that have strong family bonds. I can tell you about the Greeks and general the people living in Mediterranean Sea, that have the same ethnic characteristics.
My personal expierience shows that most of the DF'ed JW's have communication with their family. I know a family that one son is an elder the other son DF'ed and they go on family trips together, and family gatherings!!! In my case many relatives of mine still speak to me, even some of my long time JW's friends!!! And I know MANY cases of ex-jw's who still take care of their parents and having social gatherings with them.
GB cannot have control on everything as much as they desire. Family BONDS in some countries ARE STRONGER than their EVIL POLICY...
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Are we losing members quicker than the WT ??
by wobble inreading a thread from just a few months ago, made me realise that a lot of people who used to be regular contributors here no longer do so.. i know that people have always moved on, as the anger and hurt get less, as the wt mind-set totally disappears, we feel the need to come here less and less, but because of the intelligence, insight, wit and wisdom of these people, the board is somewhat impoverished each time one of these moves on.. this is a plea to all who post now, and some who still read but don't post, please do not leave us entirely, the contributions on here are literally life-saving for many.
it is easy to get dangerously suicidal when the whole wt pack of cards falls down for you.. please do not become a stranger to us !.
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Indeed lot of people left the forum. I'm posting since 2001,(I was justhuman but I had problem when the forum changed and I had to log on with a slight change) almost 10 years and I have seen lot of people leaving.
People get tired(like myself) and feel that they wanna go on with their life, leaving behind WT. I do post from time to time, but not like before. For sure old members can help easily the new ones who question WT and they are having their Crisis of conscious, but the internet has so many information regarding WT that is very helpful.
This forum serves like a dwelling place for those who are injured by WT, they stay as long they need to be healed and then they carry on...
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The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture: The Effect of Early Christological Controversies on the Text of the New Testament.
by whereami inthe victors not only write the history, they also reproduce the texts.
in a study that explores the close relationship between the social history of early christianity and the textual tradition of the emerging new testament, ehrman examines how early struggles between christian "heresy" and "orthodoxy" affected the transmission of the documents over which, in part, the debates were waged.
his thesis is that proto-orthodox scribes of the second and third centuries occasionally altered their sacred texts for polemical reasons--for example, to oppose adoptionists like the ebionites, who claimed that christ was a man but not god, or docetists like marcion, who claimed that he was god but not a man, or gnostics like the ptolemaeans, who claimed that he was two beings, one divine and one human.
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The pattern of Christianity it is traced in many Ancient Religions: We have Crishna(does it sound familiar with Christ!)He was born from a Virgin Mother, perfomed miracles, had 12 disciples, He was called the Light of The World, he was killed and reserructed after 3 days!!! The same story it is found in the Egyptian Religion with Horus, the Greek Religion with Adonis. We have at least 12-14 old ancient religions repeating the same pattern of Christianity...
The Gnostic Gospels were circulating the same era with the other Gospels. Then when the Orthodox Apostolic Church came with Bishop Athanasius and arranged the Biblical Cannon with the 76 Books, they rejected all the Gnostic Gospels, like the Gospel of Thomas, The Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.(just to name a few). Specially the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, that clearly shows that in the Early Church, women had been Bishops and perfomed clergy duties among the first Christians. What was the reason not to accept it? Simply the just followed the Judaic system of priesthood and banned all women from having any clergy role at the Church...
Indeed there is a huge difference from the God(YHWH)of the Old Testament and Jesus. It seems like a childish God, that gets angry easyly, He is Jealous(I'm a Jealous God, you will worship no other God but Me). So how can a God be jealous and afraids from other God's that they are not even "true God's"? And what kind of God refuses for the first created Woman and Man the "knowledge of knowing good and bad"?
In the Gnostic Gospels we find a differend explanation than the Old Testament, regarding God. It describes that there are many Gods in different levels, and the God that Created this Universe, was not aware of the other levels that existed, higher than Him, and He became arrogant. That is why the other Gods. sent Jesus on Earth in order to fix the problems that they were created due to the arrogance and pride of the Creator of this World.
So in the start Christianity was so different. It had the Universal teaching of love, to share things with others, and most of all the Love Conquers all things. That is why Jesus was opposed to the Mosaic Law, He was opposed to the Scribes and Pharisees and their man made laws and actually seized that law with only one command: "Love your fellow person like your self". A complete different attitude from the God of the Old Testament that He required an Eye for an Eye..
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PACIFIC on Tsunami alert after biggest quake ever recorded hits Japan
by hamsterbait injapan was hit by a 30 metre wave after an 8.9 superquake.
10 metres is not 13 feet, as stated on another post, a metre is over three feet.. hawaii, phillipines and west coast of us on alert.. is anybody in the affected areas?.
hb.
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30 metters is almost 100 feet!!! Oow another sign of the coming Armageddon...sorry I gotta leave this forum and find refuge in "God's Organization". Don't you see it guys: THE END IS NEAR...
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Sh*t dude...I gotta run and get back to the Org...THE END IS NEAR...hope YHWH didn't close the door and stay out!!!!
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There's A Ghost At My Place Of Employment
by finallysomepride inok some of you will laugh at this, but it's true, there is a spirit that haunts the premises where i work.. it has spoken to me once when i was locking up, it was 1 single word "hello", i looked around and saw nothing, i ignored it, set the alarm locked the door & went home.
other times i have felt something brush passed me as i have entered the building early in the morning.
the experience that got to me most happened the other nite when i was called back to the store by security, as i pulled into the drive way there was a man standing at the rear of the building, in the split second of looking away he dissapeared, there's no way that he could have run off the property in that split second.. what do you think?.
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Ghosts, are just lost souls, that couldn't make it to pass the other side. There is nothing to be afraid of them...
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Wanted to get reinstated... Almost ready to give up
by headisspinning ini'd like to hear from anyone who was disfellowshipped but fully intended to go back as soon as possible and how that worked out or didn't.
i'd like to hear how soon you went back to meetings, how many letters requesting reinstatement you wrote, how you were treated, and how long it took you to get bitter and jaded.... or in the off chance you had a positive experience, what exactly happened.. really struggling here... thanks!.
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I have seen your story. Have in mind we are not your Judges ok. We are only expressing how do we feel and give our 5c for the issue that you are dealing with. At the end of the day you are the one who will decide what to do.
I have personal expierience (I'm disfellowshiped for more than 6 years)I know how the system works within the WT. I have pass through all their "ranking possitions".
I know that the "elders" of the WT did a very fast reinstatement of a person that got involved with a wordly person. The wordly person tried to "awake the person up", by showing "apostate websites"and the book by Ray Franz, Crisis of Conscious. Since the person was "born in the truth" started to feel shaken, due to the fact that he only got disfellowshiped of having an affair(without having sexual relations!!!)with a wordly person and never questioned the "truth'. The "wordly"person got the JW in contact with "apostates", and the "elders" of the WT found this out. So with fast moves they reinstate the JW, since they didn't wanted to lose completely the person. The total time, only six months.
The JW went back due to "friends" and relatives, since the bond was stronger from the love of the "wordly person'.
Now regarding your situation, I will tell you few things from my personal expierience: I was born in the WT, son of an "Elder". I have been through major doctrinal changes of the WT, including the 1975 fiasco, the generation that will not pass", the "light of the generation in 1994". I served blindly WT, as a regular pioneer and then elder. At the end of the day WT brought me pain. My family is broken due to the WT and I lost contact with all my friends and relatives. I quit a promising career as a musician due to the fact that the "end was near". It was back in the 80's then and Armageddon was just around the corner. When I was disfellowshiped(having my own crisis of conscious)my marriage was ended up. I could have save it, if I would have gone back to the WT World and pretend...But I said, NO...I will NEVER go back to that horrible cult. I'm FREE, I'm ME.
I will not give my freedom to any one, and specially to a man made organization made in U.S.A. You have kids and so do I. When I see them I speak to them why I left WT, and the reason that we broke up with mum is WT's policy of shunning. I teach them to have their own FREE WILL AND THOUGHT and LOOK FOR ANSWERS.
I had "friends" in the WT. All of them are gone. They will speak to me only if I'm back in the WT. Their love is with TERMS AND CONDITIONS, while on the other hand Jesus is showing UNCONDITIONAL LOVE...You have the opportunity to break free completely from that evil cult. You can find REAL friends, that they truly love you. You can read any book you like, question everything, search everything. Freedom is the ultimate gift and done give that to anyone. IT BELONGS TO YOU...
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Jehovah's Witnesses stance on serving in the military...
by garyneal inmy wife and i live in a military area so it is natural that we encounter a great number of people who have benefitted from it and are living fairly good lives.
my wife and i talked about this some last week when it was found out that the unbelieving husband of the jw who babysits our daughter is retired air force.
this would explain why they are living so well.
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My personal experience with the WT was the "conscious issue" serving the Army. Back in the mid 80's then in my country they told us that when the time comes to join the Army, we will say that, "due to our trained Christian Conscious, we cannot join the Army". I recall that the "elders"they used to give guide lines for those who had the "neutrality issue". One of their basic guidelines for us was: NEVER SAY TO THE AUTHORITIES THAT THE WATCHTOWER IS TELLING YOU NOT TO JOIN THE ARMY. YOU MUST SAY THAT THIS IS YOUR PERSONAL DECISION BASED UPON YOUR CHRISTIAN CONSCIOUS...
So with this statement WT was saving their ass! The blame it was upon the brothers and the decision was theirs!!! Plus the Goverment couldn't blame legally WT that it is promoting an anti-army policy.
The most shameful part of the WT, was that in some countries they accepted ALTERNATIVE Service, while in my country they just didn't accept it. Many brothers suffered in prison for 3-5 years due to that policy. Then(as usual) WT came after few years and ACCEPTED Alternative Service for the brothers.
I recall when I had a discussion with a former JW on this matter. He said that were lucky because we are living in European Country. Imagine if we were living in an African regime. We would have been killed for sure!!! So just like the story of the Malawi Brothers, not many JW's recall that event. or what was happening in other countries on this issue. The GB those twisted old fools, they just follow the pattern that Booze Jo left as legacy for the WT. They find mechanisms to triger persecutions and blame it to the Devil(as usual)and that they are "God's chosen people"that they are suffering for the sake of the truth..."