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  Men who lived almost a thousand years.....it makes me speculate!

  by Terry in

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  i was waking up out of a sound sleep and a complete thought presented itself to me.. i should write it down.. so here goes.. the bible says adam lived 930 years.

  methuselah lived 969 years.. now.... that led to other thoughts.... seems more likely the old stories of adam and methuselah use a word misunderstood by some later writer and maybe a confusion resulted.. maybe the word should have been moons.

  like the apache use to say, "i've lived many moons...".. after all, the word month is a corruption of the earlier word moonth which means 30 days.. the lunar calendar was a very popular means of counting time waaaaaay back in the olden days.. .

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  GromitSK

  Interesting that you equate perfection with beauty :)
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  If you believe in Gods laws why dont you go live in Saudi Arabia ?

  by mP in

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  i think we all know that shariah law is basically mohammads copy of the torah, with minor edits.

  slavery, womens inequality, anti homosexuality are obviously written in the same spirit.

  so believers why dont you go live in saudi arabia if yo u believe gods law is perfect or at the last useful ?.

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  GromitSK

  My recollection is that the former Soviet Union was atheistic, however I am not sure that was true of the people. The Chinese seem to have an ancient religion, Taoism, which I don't think is suppressed by the state. Most of the suppression I can think of relates to Christian missionaries which are perhaps seen as western attempts to infiltrate.
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  WT Letter To Ray Franz

  by Bangalore in

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  GromitSK

  Talk about fearing the light or what... . Lol
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  Ripping a person’s faith away, a heavy responsibility?

  by Seraphim23 in

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  GromitSK

  Ah understood :)
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  Ripping a person’s faith away, a heavy responsibility?

  by Seraphim23 in

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  GromitSK

  @ST I don't understand your objection to the quote you include in your post. Sorry if I am being thick.
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  Ripping a person’s faith away, a heavy responsibility?

  by Seraphim23 in

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  GromitSK

  I'm with EP on this insofar as I don't get how a post on the Internet can 'destroy a person's faith'. Unless that is, it includes facts which show that faith is based on a false premise. This is surely simply reality intruding though isn't it?

  I can see a few being uncomfortable when questions are raised about why they believe as they, do but I don't think this forum is some kind of faith-based support group so it is bound to happen. In fact, such questioning should really refine a person's beliefs.

  I can see problems arise for a number of reasons, amongst which:

  1) sometimes the person challenging has access to more information than the believer. This can mean the believer 'loses' the argument, but doesn't mean they are necessarily wrong - it means more research is needed if the debate is to continue;

  2) the way the challenger is presenting the information makes it difficult for the believer to accept and integrate into their thinking. This switches people into a defensive position which may mean that the mind closes and resists the new, conflicting information. Continued pressure may feel like harassment. Learning is difficult from this position. The trick is to try to avoid causing/succumbing to this defensive switch, if possible.

  3) the challenger is convinced that their perspective is the 'truth'. Almost the flip side of being a believer and they too are not looking to learn but rather win. It's an ego thing for some. They just have to be right.

  There probably are posters who just get some sort of gratification by humiliating believers but I don't think there are many. I suspect a lot of the conflict and perceived harassment is down to approach and perception rather than a real intention to humiliate and defeat.

  The truth definitely does set people free IMHO but like a medicine, simply forcing it down someone's throat isn't necessarily the best way to administer it, even if it seems clear that the medicine is needed.
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  Ripping a person’s faith away, a heavy responsibility?

  by Seraphim23 in

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  2. friends

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  GromitSK

  I wonder sometimes if people confuse respect for another's opinion with simple good manners. My reading of the OP is that it is about good manners and not about accepting whatever a person says irrespective of the evidence they provide (or don't) to support that opinion or belief.

  The other element that occurs to me is motive. Why am I posting on a particular thread or entering into a particular debate? It is difficult to truly know another person's motive, or our own sometimes perhaps. If I am trying to persuade another person to my point of view, I generally find it useful to approach things in a way that is more likely to resonate and incline them to listen. A direct confrontation often provokes a defensive closed-minded response. It might make the person using it feel better but I doubt it will open a closed mind. Ridicule either outright or more subtle is an attack however one looks at it and unless deployed carefully will often be taken personally. It defeats the object IMHO.

  Referring to others beliefs as "fairy tales", "stupid" etc seems simply rude and arrogant to me. In the same way that implying a person doesn't share one's beliefs because they are in some kind of spiritual deficit is rude and condescending. Not to mention unproductive.
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  The Meetings

  by molybdenum in

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  the meetings.

  as a jw you know what to do.

  twice a week, does it give you a clue?.

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  GromitSK

  From Maxwell House to Maxwell House?
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  ZO Talk in Japan - Part Deux

  by WinstonSmith in

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  you might remember last weekend i posted up some info from my friend that had the opportunity to attend the zone overseer talk in japan.

  that thread is here: http://jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/251038/1/hot-off-the-press-zo-talk-in-japan.

  well today my friend forwarded me this little gem.

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  GromitSK

  What a soulless confection this organisation is.
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  Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?

  by Monsieur in

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  has anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.

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  GromitSK

  I don't think there is any evidence Ucantnome is able to provide that will convince another person the experience was objectively real. It consists soley of Ucant's testimony. That of course doesn't mean it didn't happen as Ucant describes. What to make of it depends how well one knows Ucant and how much one trusts Ucant's judgment.

  As far as I can see Ucant is as entitled to tell of the experience as anyone else is to refuse to believe it. Simply picking holes in it isn't going to change Ucant's mind about it, and nothing Ucant can say on here will change the minds of those who are convinced such phenomena are impossible. To me this seems a stalemate.