Where could I go to find more about the WT fight against the Spain law re pensions and their ensuing loss? I mean, if I needed evidence to show someone about this? Thanks!
Cadellin
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The Rise of the Conscious Class
by truthseeker in"i believe in one god, and no more; and i hope for happiness beyond this life.
i believe the equality of man, and i believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.
but, lest it should be supposed that i believe many other things in addition to these, i shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things i do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.
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Cadellin
Count me in--I heartily echo the sentiments already expressed--I'm so grateful to Simon for starting this place up and for all of you fellow CC members for contributing. Yes, I would as well feel slighly loony (well, er, more than I normally do, anyway) if I wasn't able to read all of the Coming-To-Consciousness experiences here, all of the amazing and scholarly research and all of the ongoing analyses of what this crazy organization is up to.
Cadellin the (finally) Conscious
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Crisis of Conscience page 23
by Butterflyleia85 in"the society's vice president, fred franz, was acknowledged as the organization's principal bible scholar.
on a number of occasions i went to his office to inquire about points.
to my surprise he frequently directed me to bible commentaries, saying, "why don't you see what adam clarke says, or what cooke says," or, if the subject primarily related to the hebrew scriptures, "what the socino commentaries say.".
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Cadellin
Actually, I think the real reason for personnel churning at Bethel is far more prosaic: Young ones don't need the kind of expensive health care that older ones do.
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Yet Another Generation: What Have JW's EVER Got Right? (a Public Service Announcement)
by AllTimeJeff inin the april 15, 2010 wt, the new governing body of jw's have once again changed their ever problematic teaching regarding the "generation" that saw the sign jesus spoke of mt: 24:32-34.
(note, all references to "generation" in this article are in reference to this passage in mt 24).
the reason that this shows why the governing body is a fraud is very simple.
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Cadellin
Seems to me that it shortens it to two overlapping generations.
Yet, Mad Sweeney (and Paul), another take would be that it lengthens it--the way is totally open for the overlapping to be stretched and stretched--who says it's only 2 generations that have to overlap? As another poster here commented, there have been overlapping generations of annointed since 33 CE, according to still-current (ahem) WT theology!
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Yet Another Generation: What Have JW's EVER Got Right? (a Public Service Announcement)
by AllTimeJeff inin the april 15, 2010 wt, the new governing body of jw's have once again changed their ever problematic teaching regarding the "generation" that saw the sign jesus spoke of mt: 24:32-34.
(note, all references to "generation" in this article are in reference to this passage in mt 24).
the reason that this shows why the governing body is a fraud is very simple.
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Cadellin
I think these are all cogent comments, but I can't escape the feeling that another shoe needs to drop. I have no idea why.
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My Stuggling Life Story
by Coreash inbefore i begin " my struggling life story" names have been changed to protect there identity.it all started for me at the age of about 10 when myself and most of my mates used to bother with the girls down the road.we all used to play as young children did but it was after the girls had gone in where we would sit around and chat and as boys do, used to ask who fancied who etc etc.
well for me i wasn't that interested and thought nothing of it.
it was only when i started comprehensive school did i notice that i was slightly different to all my mates/friends.
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Cadellin
You are welcome here. Thank you for sharing your story.
You are a valid person with tremendous worth. Don't let anything or anyone convince you otherwise. Your kids need you so much, gay or not. Okay, so you're gay. That's who you are. We're all SOMETHING and that's what you are. Your challenge now is to be the BEST gay guy you can be--the kind, caring and compassionate queer that's been squashed down all these years. He's there, I know it.
As another poster suggested, get some good, professional help. You've been abused and that messes you up big time. You need to heal. You need to heal for yourself and for your kids. It can be done; you're not alone. This is a good place to be.
Peace.
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'Giving Attention to the Needs of the Circuit.' Sooo uplifting...
by whereami inthese people just love instiling guilt on these poor souls.. .
at a recent circuit assembly a circuit overseer gave an awesome talk during the portion, 'giving attention to the needs of the circuit.
and with such a high pricetag, please don't let it be empty.
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Cadellin
You look positively kissable, Edmond!
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JW Science Quote (January 2010)
by TD inthere is a certain faith within the jw community that almost any problem can be answered by the "bulging brains" in brooklyn.
reading the awake!
regularly over a period of years has been compared to receiving a college education and one board participant here actually refers to jw researchers and writers as "celebrated scholars.".
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Cadellin
...the real curiosity about this fossil was not the skull at all, but the fact that the shape of the pelvis and knee joints indicated that it was not primarily a quadruped.
I appreciate TD's post. This, IMHO, is the where the bigger deception comes in. Australopithicine skulls are simian in size and cranial capacity and not particularly noteworthy in terms of what they say about hominid ancestory; the big news about Lucy is that her post cranial skeleton was so close to ourselves. She was clearly a biped, as TD's post alludes.
I respect TD's request that this thread keep away from arguing for or against the merits of evolution and so I'll refrain from commenting on the significance of this, but for the Creation book to mention australopithicine skulls, aside from the accuracy (or lack thereof) of the line drawings, and to say nothing about the rest of the species' skeleton is akin to reporting on the discovery of a lost play by Shakespeare and only describing the kind of paper it was written on.
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Is The Internet The Worst Thing That Could Happen To The Organization?
by minimus inthe witnesses try to demonize the internet.
in your opinion is the internet the biggest problem for the watchtower organization?.
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Cadellin
I think Mad Sweeney is right about the brain drain. So much of the increase is foreign language groups where the level of education is really, really low--I mean, I've talked to some who still believe that if you cut your hair it grows even faster and other silly superstitions. That's not to imply that immigrants are less intelligent--not at all--but that the degree of education which would help in critical analysis and investigation of some of the WT claims, is often not there. Plus, no much of the info onthe internet is primarily in English.
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I just feel like crying... I'm so fed up of the hypocrisy!
by cattails ini was very disgusted with the wt study for today.. towards the end of the article it refers to matthew 15 (see quoted scripture below).
this is a beautiful passage where jesus says his followers need to be hospitable, care for sick, hungry and imprisoned brothers.. they turn it around and say that for jw's this means they need to support the "faithful and discreet slave" by going in door-to-door witnessing, making monetary contributions to support the worldwide witnessing work, and following the directions and counsel of congregation elders.. and the worst part of it all is that there were several commenters giving almost word for word answers to that effect, they didn't even seem to listen to previous comments, they just repeated mindlessly what the paragraph said... i was ready to burst.
mom knew i was about to have a fit right there and then.
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Cadellin
Cat--Can you make a plan for a fade? If you are dependent on JW family members, that might be difficult but you could make a start. At any rate, don't let it get you down. Even if your body is not free, your mind is that and that's the most important part. Come here and rant on our collective shoulders: we are on your side.
Funny thing about Matt 25 re sheep and goats and "Christ's brothers": When I was a Zealous Pioneer, I lived in fear (well, not fear exactly--maybe "anxiety") that a householder would ask me who Christ's brothers were, and I'd have to show him/her that they were the FDS. I knew my Bible inside and out, yet I had NO IDEA how I'd make the connection b/w the FDS/GB and "Christ's brothers" in any way that a (non JW) householder would be able to make sense of.
Even back then, when I was a very young mermaid, I knew deep down that the connection was unsupportable scripturally.