Simon and Family: Merry Christmas and Happy 2011--Thank you for all you do!!!!
Cadellin
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Ok, so there is a gap in my reasoning ... but that's a good thing
by Simon ini was going to post a 'welcome' message for all the new people who may have got a computer for christmas and are making their first forray into the online world.. of course, not many jws are going to be getting a computer or much else for christmas right?.
kinda-strange for me to forget about such a big thing like that eh?!
it's pretty good though to have moved on so that the jw indoctrinated mindset isn't the first thing that springs to mind.. hope you're all having a great christmas and wherever you are in the recovery process that you feel a little bit better today than you did yesterday, more free and relaxed than you did last year and looking forward to your new life in 2011.. there's going to be lots of changes coming for this site hopefully in the next week or so and probably continuing over the next year.
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Cadellin
Yes, Leo, I'm echoing bohm here--even a "rough" unfinished research post would be wonderful, if you don't mind sharing...
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Hi
by WSEV12 ini am still trying to find my spiritual path and am not sure if the jw is the right path for me.
i do like the presentation at the kingdom hall and the magazines, but feel that many of my views might conflict with jw doctrine.
i would prefer not to recite specific differences here.
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Cadellin
Welcome, William:
The short answer, as so many here have already said, is yes, you will be expected to believe 100% of what JWs teach. This is not an organization that tolerates questions from its baptized members, and quickly labels any such questioning as "murmuring," "complaining," and "rebelling." This is a high-control, strictly hierarchial organization that governs from the top down, and as ordinary rank-and-file publishers, the vast majority of JWs, including ALL women, are expected to obey without questioning. In order to maintain such tight control, information is strictly controlled and members are strongly discouraged from purusing much in the way of third-party research, such research being viewed as coming from Satan's world. Unless, of course, it happens to correlate with JW doctrine, and then it's seen as proof of the "Truth."
I am baptized, born-in, and currently inactive, as my conscience does not allow me to promulgate ideas I knew to be incorrect. Best wishes to you and please keep us up to date on how things go...
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Cadellin
Leo, thank you for this useful information. Whenever the Society trots out the Isaiah scroll as "proof" the Bible hasn't been changed (and they do it regularly), it always makes me angry. It's classic WT strategy: Mention the one item that supports the dogma and pretend the rest doesn't exist...
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Special Assembly: CO admits the grip is tightning.....
by yourmomma inwhat im about to post is the exact words from the co during the last talk of the most recent special assembly day.
even though im out i still try to keep up with what is being said just cause i find it interesting, and alot of stuff i find funny, but this stuff is starting to get scary, and i fear for my friends who are still in.
here are the exact words:.
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Cadellin
Are you serious? This is way more than what I heard at our last SAD. I would really like to hear a recording (not that I'm doubting you!!) This is scary stuff...OTOH, there are always those "fringe-element" uber-crazy COs that go the extra loony mile, and maybe this guy falls into that category. It would be interesting to have his name, see if anyone else found him over the top.
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Anyone interested in free Bart Ehrman's "Miquoting Jesus" & "Gods Problem" audio books? Great books.
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Cadellin
Hell, yeah! I've read Misquoting Jesus but not God's Problem. I'd love to have it as an audiobook. Is that MP3 format?
Thanks!
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My first semester at college was a sucess!!
by noni1974 ini got my grades today.
i ended up with a 3.57 gpa and i'm able to join phi beta kappa, which is the honnors society at my school.
not to bad for an ex jw that never graduated from high school.
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Cadellin
Noni--way to go!!!
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Origin of Life Brochure--Excellent Video re how life may have originated
by Cadellin inhi, folks--i'm not sure if this vid has been posted before but its worth watching for a simple (and likely simplistic) hypothesis on the formation of life.
as many of you know, one of the (numerous) difficulties with the latest wt brochure the origin of life, five questions worth asking is the way it conflates evolution with abiogenesis, then quotes scientists like robert shapiro who say that, for instance, the rna world hypothesis won't work because of thus and such.
then, the wt (somewhat dishonestly) uses those words as "proof" that any kind of naturalistic origin is impossible (instead of revealing what shapiro, in this case, is really saying--that while the rna world hypothesis has problems, there are other hypotheses that overcome those problems).. at any rate, this is worth watching, both for the easy to understand explanation of one possible hypothesis from a harvard scientist and for the cool way the text is calibrated with the final movement of beethoven's 9th symphony.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yojsflhx7ts.
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Cadellin
Shepherd: Your video is also excellent; I've watched it a couple of times. Your voice is identical to that of my BIL--kind of freakin' me out! Thanks for posting it here. Both of these are a must-watch!
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Origin of Life Brochure--Excellent Video re how life may have originated
by Cadellin inhi, folks--i'm not sure if this vid has been posted before but its worth watching for a simple (and likely simplistic) hypothesis on the formation of life.
as many of you know, one of the (numerous) difficulties with the latest wt brochure the origin of life, five questions worth asking is the way it conflates evolution with abiogenesis, then quotes scientists like robert shapiro who say that, for instance, the rna world hypothesis won't work because of thus and such.
then, the wt (somewhat dishonestly) uses those words as "proof" that any kind of naturalistic origin is impossible (instead of revealing what shapiro, in this case, is really saying--that while the rna world hypothesis has problems, there are other hypotheses that overcome those problems).. at any rate, this is worth watching, both for the easy to understand explanation of one possible hypothesis from a harvard scientist and for the cool way the text is calibrated with the final movement of beethoven's 9th symphony.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yojsflhx7ts.
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Cadellin
Fascinating, Unshackled--thanks for the link!
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Are Faith and Reason Compatible? Jan Awake
by DanaBug inhere's some quotes from that article:.
the bible says, for example, that if your worship is to be acceptable to god, it must be a sacred service with your power of reason.
in other words, you must worship god in a way that is worthy of thinking beings.
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Cadellin
it is something you have thought through carefully—resulting in trust in God and his Word, which is firmly based on reason.
Reasoning on such information produces the conviction that even things that cannot be seen with the literal eye are, nonetheless, realities
The kind of faith built on what the Bible teaches is compatible with reason.
Danabug, thanks for posting this. Notice how even within this article supposedly encouraging rationality and independence of thought (or something akin to that), the WT is careful to tell the reader what his or her conclusion should be! There's no room allowed for someone who engages in these thought processes and comes to a different determination!