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Thanks for bumping this, stapler. I've never read it before, but I am a huge Leo fan and have downloaded this to print off and read later. Just a day or so ago, I got out my old Revelation Climax book and was flipping through it somewhat sadly, thinking how silly and baseless most of it was. So finding this post is a real boon.
And, Leo, thank you, once again and five years later, for your intellectual generosity.
wait, speak to deborah first.. .
the upside of this approach is that deborah is a real woman and will be able to give you girls proper advice.. the downside is that you will either need to first find a top rate medium (shes been dead quite a while) or wait for rutherfords god to bring her back from the dead (which rutherford maintains will happen any day real soon now if not even before the convention ends).. you will easily recognise her as rutherford has thoughtfully printed a picture of her in the new and bang up to date children book.. unfortunately if you dont live in the usa you will need to telephone her, which thankfully has recently been invented.
expect to hang on the line a while as she will be very busy playing her agony aunt role for so many jws worldwide all seeking her advice, but rutherford says that it will be well worth the wait.. .
"Deborah is a real woman"
As opposed to all you poor female excuses of women?
ROFLMAO!!!
i attended a recent ministerial servant k m school on the east coast and the main school instructor mentioned among other things (part entitled: 'objective of the km school course') that the total number of ministerial servants is seriously less than it should be.
in times past the ratio of m ss to elders was much more than it is today.. in the u.s. apparently the total number of elders is 88,500+ as opposed to m ss 65,000. the numbers show & numbers don't lie: the society is running out of spiritual men.
the instructor stated that this is a new downward trend that has (in so many words) the society worried.. the next speaker (part entitled: 'why we must be spiritual men') added that in his years as a traveling servant the pool of m ss has always been much, much larger than it is today.
I just want to add a few stats--husband just came back from the school(s) and said the average age of elders was 60 and there were about half as many MS's as there were elders. This is in the Pacific NW.
i read somewhere that this top model is a witness:.
http://www.coco-rocha.com/.
anybody can confirm?.
I've met her and I can confirm what's been said. That's all I can say.
it's been reported on this forum that bethel speakers at this summer's conventions are asserting that the establishment of the united nations in 1945 was predicted in advance by the witnesses.
this is being presented as validation of the claim that the witnesses are god's one true organization directed by holy spirit.. .
the basis for this claim originates with a public address entitled, peace - can it last given by n.h. knorr at the new world theocratic assembly, on september 20 of 1942. .
btt What's particularly sad is that 1942 is approximately 70 years ago...
i was going to post a 'welcome' message for all the new people who may have got a computer for christmas and are making their first forray into the online world.. of course, not many jws are going to be getting a computer or much else for christmas right?.
kinda-strange for me to forget about such a big thing like that eh?!
it's pretty good though to have moved on so that the jw indoctrinated mindset isn't the first thing that springs to mind.. hope you're all having a great christmas and wherever you are in the recovery process that you feel a little bit better today than you did yesterday, more free and relaxed than you did last year and looking forward to your new life in 2011.. there's going to be lots of changes coming for this site hopefully in the next week or so and probably continuing over the next year.
Simon and Family: Merry Christmas and Happy 2011--Thank you for all you do!!!!
Yes, Leo, I'm echoing bohm here--even a "rough" unfinished research post would be wonderful, if you don't mind sharing...
i am still trying to find my spiritual path and am not sure if the jw is the right path for me.
i do like the presentation at the kingdom hall and the magazines, but feel that many of my views might conflict with jw doctrine.
i would prefer not to recite specific differences here.
Welcome, William:
The short answer, as so many here have already said, is yes, you will be expected to believe 100% of what JWs teach. This is not an organization that tolerates questions from its baptized members, and quickly labels any such questioning as "murmuring," "complaining," and "rebelling." This is a high-control, strictly hierarchial organization that governs from the top down, and as ordinary rank-and-file publishers, the vast majority of JWs, including ALL women, are expected to obey without questioning. In order to maintain such tight control, information is strictly controlled and members are strongly discouraged from purusing much in the way of third-party research, such research being viewed as coming from Satan's world. Unless, of course, it happens to correlate with JW doctrine, and then it's seen as proof of the "Truth."
I am baptized, born-in, and currently inactive, as my conscience does not allow me to promulgate ideas I knew to be incorrect. Best wishes to you and please keep us up to date on how things go...
Leo, thank you for this useful information. Whenever the Society trots out the Isaiah scroll as "proof" the Bible hasn't been changed (and they do it regularly), it always makes me angry. It's classic WT strategy: Mention the one item that supports the dogma and pretend the rest doesn't exist...
what im about to post is the exact words from the co during the last talk of the most recent special assembly day.
even though im out i still try to keep up with what is being said just cause i find it interesting, and alot of stuff i find funny, but this stuff is starting to get scary, and i fear for my friends who are still in.
here are the exact words:.
Are you serious? This is way more than what I heard at our last SAD. I would really like to hear a recording (not that I'm doubting you!!) This is scary stuff...OTOH, there are always those "fringe-element" uber-crazy COs that go the extra loony mile, and maybe this guy falls into that category. It would be interesting to have his name, see if anyone else found him over the top.
