Not to mention that fact that 99% of all species that have ever lived have gone EXTINCT. Nature is based on two things: predation and parasitism. Neither fits the pretty, Bambi-fied picture that the Society likes to portray. Strange how the WT has never had an article about the wonders of the endoparasitic ichneumon wasp.
Cadellin
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Does God Care About Animals? gA Dec 2011
by Gladring inaccording to the article in the dec 2011 awake although.
man was eventually permitted to use them for.
food and other practical purposes, god never.
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Child Health Watchtower deception!
by Marvin Shilmer inchild health watchtower deception!.
today i uploaded a new article addressing a particularly evil deception watchtower promotes in its july 15, 2011 watchtower journal.
when watchtower does what it does in this instance the higher-ups have to know they are misleading folks.
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Cadellin
THe quote from the Court caught my attention when I read it, as well. It's just a general statement about freedom, with no relationship to the actual case at hand, and is true of autonomous humans in general, be they Baptists, Mormons, Catholics, athiests, whatever--not specifically JWs. It could be argued that JWs situation is exactly the opposite of that statement--that JWs don't have a real freedom of choice because if they "choose" to take blood then they are automatically considered disassociated with the full treatment of shunning that accompanies such a "choice," as is made clear by the announcement made to the congregation with expectation that congregation members will then treat such a person as if that person had gone through the judicial process.
I think Martin is correct when he notes that the WT misconstrues the quote when they link it to accusations regarding health. However, what I'd be interested in is how the Court applies that general statement to the actual JW case. If someone already commented on that, I missed it... (maybe I need another cup of coffee )
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Census / online survey idea - thoughts please...
by cedars ini've been thinking about the recent developments in the uk following the "apostates = mentally diseased" article in the july 15th edition of the watchtower.
to provide a bit more background, a forum member named amelia has recently had a meeting with uk police officers who subsequently took a copy of the article for their records.
they agreed that the content could potentially incite people to hatred against disaffected witnesses, and the copy is now on file with the uk police in case there are any future incidents of hateful acts against "apostates", including violence or even stalking.. i am working on a press release to make the public more aware of the idealogical oppression being meted out by the society on those who oppose them, both inside and outside the organization.
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Cadellin
Cedars, brilliant idea. I'll take the survey when its ready.
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Higher Education and Disqualification for Privileges in the Congregation
by 00DAD inwhen i was still serving as an elder in the late summer of 2006 in a congregation of jws in socal we received a letter from the "christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses" (read: the governing body) directing that anyone pursuing a higher education would be disqualified from privileges of service: elder, servant, pioneer, etc.
i remember this quite distinctly because i had just received by ba in education in june a few months before this.
in 2002, i had decided to pursue a degree under the society's then current "it's a personal decision" policy and was quite shocked at their drastic policy change.
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Cadellin
This thread is too long for me to read.
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New here looking for some help
by angel.face inlong story short, i have been a jw for the pst 7 years.
i am married with 2 kids.
hubby is a die hard jw who is an ms and would like to be elder.
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Cadellin
Welcome, too, to lola-rabbit!
Yes, my parents are aged and devout as well. I had a recent, harrowing confrontation with them, which I posted about a little while back. As you suggest, I am just keeping my mouth shut from here on out, with them anyway. When parents are older, I really think its best to not rock the boat and keep the lines of communication open--oh, ha! That sounded like I was talking about teenagers! I have one of those too!
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New here looking for some help
by angel.face inlong story short, i have been a jw for the pst 7 years.
i am married with 2 kids.
hubby is a die hard jw who is an ms and would like to be elder.
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Cadellin
Hi and welcome!! First, let me say that my situation is almost identical to yours except that my husband has been an elder for about 15 years or so, and I only have one child. Other than that--just about the same. My discovery of the dishonest use of secular quotes to support creation was the tipping point for me and, like yourself, once I started researching, the whole house of cards came tumbling down. If you haven't read Crisis of Conscience, do it now. It's eye-opening and truly inspiring.
I haven't read Hassan's book but its at the top of my list, so I can't help you out there. I do know that my husband and I have been through some rough times b/c of what I've learned. However, he's run interference b/w me and the other elders so that my fade has been pretty easy and quiet, so that says something. He's admitted that the literal flood is an impossibility, so that's another chink in the wall. I go to Sunday meetings to keep the peace and that's it. We've reached detente and I've decided to back off. For now anyway. Once I read Hassan's book, I may try another tactic.
Regardless of what method anyone chooses, it does take time and patience. I suggest that, if you love your husband and want to stay together, go out of your way to be a really great wife and friend in every other "normal" area of life. It's sort of like what the WT advises when a sister has an opposing mate, ironically! Draw closer to him every way you can; not only will it strengthen your marriage and maybe even safeguard it, it could go a long way to softening his reception of your [frightening and threatening] new ideas.
Please keep us posted--we're interested to know how it goes.
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A warning for all from Totally ADD
by TotallyADD init has been four days since i have been on jwn.
because i am not as young as i used to be.
as many know my wife and i are opening up a donut store.
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Cadellin
Get better soon and send some chocolate-covered old-fashioneds our way!! I love those things, especially when they're slightly crunchy on the outside...Mmmm...
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Today's Watchtower Study is SO dumb!!!
by TimothyT ini would like to think of myself as an academic.
im starting my second degree and i enjoy research.
when i see a statement backed up by references and support from a credible source, sometimes i get excited.
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And welcome to dropoffyourkeylee, Greybeard and all the other newbies on this thread!
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Today's Watchtower Study is SO dumb!!!
by TimothyT ini would like to think of myself as an academic.
im starting my second degree and i enjoy research.
when i see a statement backed up by references and support from a credible source, sometimes i get excited.
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TimothyT, yes, I agree--it was one big non sequitur. There wasn't really any attempt to make any meaningful connection b/w the Israelites wanting to go back to Egypt, the first century Christians wanting to celebrate the Mosaic Law and unquestioning obedience to the organization. Beyond the common denominator of obedience. Interestingly, particularly with respect to the first example of the Israelites, their problem was disobedience to God himself--I mean to God's own literal words. By the end of the lesson, the "organization" had been inserted as the source of God's decrees.
It was 1 + 1 = 3.687 and if you don't agree, you're not going along w/Jehovah's "unfolding purpose," which is such a freaky JW-only concept.
Also, I had to giggle at the line-up of small pics near the end supposedly illustrating some of the moments discussed. In the middle is a depiction of what presumably a first century Christian "meeting" looked like, complete with folks sitting politely in chairs, all with their scrolls unfolded in their laps and one little girl with her hand up to answer. I guess the WT artists don't realize that widespread literacy is a 20th century phenomenon. The majority of men, 98% of women and most assuredly 100% of little girls were unable to read, much less ever get close enough to a scroll to touch it. But then to acknowledge this inconvenient bit of history is to make it very difficult to identify first century Christians so closely w/modern JWs...
Sigh.
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Have you noticed that the Watchtower is not emphasizing how close the end is as much?
by stuckinamovement inmaybe i am off base, but it seems that the last year or so hasn't had the standard retoric about how "imminent, close, or soon" the end will be.
it seems as if the focus is now on obeying the governing body.
have you noticed this?.
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Cadellin
Yes, actually, I have. The 2009 DC used the word "imminent" to describe the nearness of the big A multiple times in every talk. From then on, it seems like the "imminence" has been shoved into the background. So what does "imminent" mean? About to start or moments away. Let's see...that was more than two years' worth of moments ago! So when does use of the word "imminent" constitute LYING????
And, yes again, stuckinamovement, the unquestioning submission to the GB has become the hue and cry of late. It would be interesting if it weren't so sad and scary...