Posts by wozza

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P. Ms Letter to non subscibers to Redress Scheme

by jonahstourguide in

spotted this article this morning.

i will try to post a link.. jtg.. australia.. institutions refusing to join the national redress scheme are "doubling down" on the crime of child sexual abuse, prime minister scott morrison says.. mr morrison and social services minister anne ruston have warned institutions they may lose funding and tax concessions if they fail to sign up by tuesday's deadline and will be named and shamed.. "all institutions are doing in not joining is doubling down on the crime and doubling down on the hurt," they said in a letter to 25 institutions.. "we consider it to be reprehensible that you have failed to sign up to the scheme.".

the jehovah's witnesses is among the organisations that has refused to sign up, arguing it does not have the institutional settings of other faith-based institutions that the redress scheme is designed to cover.. senator ruston is set to name the non-participating institutions on wednesday, when she will announce what action the federal government will take against them.. "we urge you to join the scheme not because of concerns about being identified, but because it is the right thing to do," the minister and mr morrison said.. "it is the right thing to do by survivors and their families and it is what every, decent, honest, australian demands.".

wozza

I watched the ABC news report and was pleased to note the Jehovahs Witness church was named first

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F. W. Franz epic talk May 11, 1975 (clip)

by lastmanstanding in

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vwxeenkkoary-efyhnt75iqmagx0yywf.

f. w. franz "times in which we are particularly interested" may 11, 1975. ;introduced by kenneth a. little, a much younger man than now for sure.. the clip is 8 minutes.. unfortunately, some idiot recorded over part of this day many years ago.

i am hoping to find another copy in the box..

wozza

Y.es it was told to us we were equal but I SAW THE LOCAL ANNOINTED treated as special many times, even to the point that two of them had expressed a difference privately that they had a different view of certain teachings but their local brothers accepted this as ok because they were annointed.

Definitely not me lol, then I didnt go to my first meeting till 1974 and studied with an elder who believed the 1975 stuff. I stopped my study for a few years then .

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F. W. Franz epic talk May 11, 1975 (clip)

by lastmanstanding in

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vwxeenkkoary-efyhnt75iqmagx0yywf.

f. w. franz "times in which we are particularly interested" may 11, 1975. ;introduced by kenneth a. little, a much younger man than now for sure.. the clip is 8 minutes.. unfortunately, some idiot recorded over part of this day many years ago.

i am hoping to find another copy in the box..

wozza

@ Smiddy3

He did come to Australia.

I remember that voice ,high and purposefully dramatic ,although when I heard it live he was near his end and wandered a bit off course and was a little subdued.

It was at Adelaide Oval South Australia in the !980's but I don't recall the name of the talk ,but I do remember the expectation and excitement of the brothers that we were to have an actual visit from him ,as though Abraham himself was coming to talk to all.

I was an attendant (or "security") at the cricket grounds main gate and was to keep it clear for his arrival which was in a large black limo . I recall amongst the attendants a murmur about it being such a grand entrance ,like for a king!

The limo drove in and onto the oval up to the podium for him to speak. I could not listen to all the talk as we were kept busy in our duties as in those days we had bomb scares at assemblies ( though most of them were just suit cases left carelessly and no one knew who belonged to them).

And just like that he was gone in the limo, leaving us to excuse his dramatic arrival and quick exit ,by reasoning he was after all blind and must be a busy man -oh brother what BS.

These were the days when the governing body was supposed to be "faithful and discreet' and I think that alot of JW's did not even know the names of them. Not like today ,the new JW TV gods.

I was left with an uneasy feeling about the arrival and talk of someone who I had been taught was only a man , but the reality was that to most JW's he was really special , and this was duplicity to me and gradually opened my eyes ,amongst other things to the lies.

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Why do Jehovah`s Witnesses Shun fellow believers When God and Jesus never shunned even Satan ?

by smiddy3 in

scholars generally agree that it was written between the 7th and 4th centuries bce, with the 6th century bce as the most likely period for various reasons.

the book of job .. so according to jw`s about 6,000 years ago satan rebelled against jehovah god ,did jehovah disown him there and then shunning him ?.

apparently not as we can read from the book of job centuries later that satan could still come and go freely before the throne of jehovah in heaven .job 1: 6. and apparently he could still do this for centuries later ,that is coming to and fro before jehovah because according to the jw religion he wasn`t cast out of heaven for another 2,000 years until the 20th century .. now in the case of jesus much of what is said about jehovah and satan also applies to jesus before he came to earth.. but even when he was on earth he didn`t shun satan either in fact he allowed satan to lead him around according to the bible account.luke 4:13 so the devil having concluded all the temptations retired from him until another convenient time .so it wasn`t jesus calling the shots here it was satan .. mark 1: 13 he ,jesus, also shared 40 days in the wilderness with satan letting him tempt him .. so their was no way either jehovah or jesus ever shunned satan the devil according to the bible writings.. and when jesus ascended to heaven after his sacrifice he along with his father jehovah still had association with satan the devil until he was cast out of heaven 2,000 years later ,according to the jw`s..

wozza

Hi Smiddy

This seems very reasonable ,but then we are talking about people who have left their reasoning skills at the door.

And the response from them to the inconsistency you have pointed to is probably along the lines of "oh yeah but we are only human they are spirit creatures"

Like Bethel can have books from other religions but you can't because holy spirit is at Bethel and the top brothers are protected.

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Remember the Revelation book?

by wozza in

i recall when it was released ,that's when i was a drone, how excited i felt at the prospect of reading it and formulating ways to sell it at the homes in my area.. i thought, finally a book to explain the last book in the bible and indeed one that the churches seemed to want to leave alone!.

i sold quite a few probably because of my enthusiasm and can still remember clearly the first day when i went knocking on doors with it ,and it's been decades since.. but over time it lost it's shine and my mind started to question the explanations in it due to the scene of other things being changed in the jw beliefs.. do you remember they flogged that book so many times in the book studies even when it was found to have "newer light " eclipsing it!.

who else remembers the printed pages with the official corrections to insert into the book ,so many that the book collapsed to be of no relevance anymore really.....what an embarrassment!.

wozza

LongHairGal

Funny you mention the wizard of Oz ,as a kid I had a big hardback copy of that book and loved the illustrations, and on about the second or third run with the revelation book it had all come to be pretty familiar.

I can still remember making a private note that the two books were a bit similar in strong graphics and story line , and then I blocked that thought ,but it did trouble me.

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G.B of JW`s trusting in Jehovah ? or Trusting in Men When It Comes To A Crunch !

by smiddy3 in

jehovah`s witnesses have taken it upon themselves that they have been chosen by god to be his witnesses in what they believe to be the last days ,the time of the end spoken of by the prophets of old.. they are on record as stating in their publications that it is their calling and duty to preach this message of announcing jehovah`s kingdom loud and clear publicly and from house to house even when under ban.. which they have done on many occasions in the past putting their trust in jehovah .. taking to heart acts ch.5 : 17- 32 which states in a nutshell ," we must obey god as ruler rather than men " .

they are also on record that the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one satan the devil to mislead all mankind.. this includes all governments ,religious leaders ,economic, and social systems ,they have even stated that the united nations was a counterfeit kingdom in opposition to the kingdom of god for the benefit of mankind.. so what do we see today ?

true , we have a pandemic with this covid-19 virus that is wreaking havoc in the worlds health systems causing death to many people on a scale not seen since the spanish flu pandemic a century ago.. now i`m just speaking from a jehovah`s witness mindset here,to put there money where their mouth is.

wozza

I they were really Christs disciples they would find PUBLIC ways to preach ,for example, preaching alone with a cart on the streets.

I mean if the end is so near and lives are at stake why should a government stop them ,after all they believe god's laws are superior.

As to if they get sick by doing this life saving work ,well they would join the first century christians who died martyrs who were nowhere near the time of the end. You know, the ones that died in their thousands back then, and now the governing body says they may not be part of the 144,000 because it does'nt fit their current embarrassing teachings!

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Remember the Revelation book?

by wozza in

i recall when it was released ,that's when i was a drone, how excited i felt at the prospect of reading it and formulating ways to sell it at the homes in my area.. i thought, finally a book to explain the last book in the bible and indeed one that the churches seemed to want to leave alone!.

i sold quite a few probably because of my enthusiasm and can still remember clearly the first day when i went knocking on doors with it ,and it's been decades since.. but over time it lost it's shine and my mind started to question the explanations in it due to the scene of other things being changed in the jw beliefs.. do you remember they flogged that book so many times in the book studies even when it was found to have "newer light " eclipsing it!.

who else remembers the printed pages with the official corrections to insert into the book ,so many that the book collapsed to be of no relevance anymore really.....what an embarrassment!.

wozza

Thank you Ultimate Axiom for that !

So it's been 32 years since the book was first released and they have'nt released a replacement in this so called "critical times" we live in so close to the end?

When one considers the massive changes this religion has had in those 32 years ,would it not be strange not to lead the world in understanding the most critical book in the bible explaining the end times!?

Instead the worlds only true religion offers an adapted old book to the world ,that probably none of the current governing body had anything to do with !

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Remember the Revelation book?

by wozza in

i recall when it was released ,that's when i was a drone, how excited i felt at the prospect of reading it and formulating ways to sell it at the homes in my area.. i thought, finally a book to explain the last book in the bible and indeed one that the churches seemed to want to leave alone!.

i sold quite a few probably because of my enthusiasm and can still remember clearly the first day when i went knocking on doors with it ,and it's been decades since.. but over time it lost it's shine and my mind started to question the explanations in it due to the scene of other things being changed in the jw beliefs.. do you remember they flogged that book so many times in the book studies even when it was found to have "newer light " eclipsing it!.

who else remembers the printed pages with the official corrections to insert into the book ,so many that the book collapsed to be of no relevance anymore really.....what an embarrassment!.

wozza

Thanks for all the comments on this book.

I have been out for many years and am wondering if,when they provided inserts for all the changes, did they do an up-dated version of this book with all the new "light" ?

I am keen to have another look and go over the changes and how they fit into their current rubbery teachings I don't have any copies but can it be downloaded?

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Just got a letter from a local JW

by wozza in

jw
friends

a local brother has called on me 3 times in the last few months and has just sent me a letter ,.

in the previous calls we kept it simple : i have'nt been to meetings for years ,don't believe in god now ,etc.

touched on how i was appalled at how the org handles child molestation and they were quick to say that there have been problems but the governing body has it handled now blah blah.

wozza

Thanks for that Jonah ,i guess they have to be kept busy otherwise they might go on the internet and find the truth

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Just got a letter from a local JW

by wozza in

jw
friends

a local brother has called on me 3 times in the last few months and has just sent me a letter ,.

in the previous calls we kept it simple : i have'nt been to meetings for years ,don't believe in god now ,etc.

touched on how i was appalled at how the org handles child molestation and they were quick to say that there have been problems but the governing body has it handled now blah blah.

wozza

A local brother has called on me 3 times in the last few months and has just sent me a letter ,

In the previous calls we kept it simple : I have'nt been to meetings for years ,don't believe in god now ,etc

Touched on how I was appalled at how the Org handles child molestation and they were quick to say that there have been problems but the governing body has it handled now blah blah

I even surprised myself for my restraint at that point having dealt with this issue extensively in the org myself but I just wanted to fish for info over a bit of time and see if they had DF'd me remotely.

Have taken a few tracts etc even an old watchtower which I thought was funny for the "truth"has probably changed in a year.

Then I get this posted letter with a tract saying that due to the Covid they are not calling on people and naturally pointing to this being a sign the end is near- is anyone else getting this ? I'm in South Australia

Anyway I typed up a reply on one topic as to why his tract had no relevance to me because the authors of that tract are liars and pointed the UN affair providing the letter from the UN showing the Affiliation of the WTS to the UN as an NGO.

Also how this affair was revealed thru The Guardian in Great Britain in 2001 . OK it's old news but I've seen him around many years ago when I was a JW ,I remember him but he does'nt recall me so he would the old days and the old ways and teachings so I thought I could appeal to that.

Well i'm posting it off today for he gave his full name and address on the envelope he sent me ,I wonder what will happen for I was quite frank in detailing the wrongness and lies and deciept of the WTS quoting non apostate material