Posts by wozza

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Souls on Ice

by peacefulpete in

you may have seen the story of the couple who just gave birth to twins who developed from embryos frozen for 30 years.

i'm delighted for the parents and hope the twins grow to be healthy.

it does pose some questions for those who insist embryos are in fact humans with souls.

List of Things We Were NOT Allowed To Do as JW's

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

here's my list of jw no-no's as i recall: .

1. no giving or accepting valentine candy for students.

2. no going to home coming football games.

wozza

Rattigan

In the past here it was seen as like serving in the military but with a little grayness ,since they did not carry.

These days the police carry guns all the time so I am not sure whether there are still JW police officers.

It's interesting to note that the society used this particular brothers knowlege and involvement to assist them in the "Security" department at assemblies!

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List of Things We Were NOT Allowed To Do as JW's

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

here's my list of jw no-no's as i recall: .

1. no giving or accepting valentine candy for students.

2. no going to home coming football games.

wozza

@ Smiddy

"

11. Cannot be a Police Officer

There were two police officers in the congs,I attended ."

When I started studying again 1980 in Adelaide South Australia there was a single brother who was a police officer and sometimes he was brought by my study conductor to sit in on my study. I posed the question to him as to how he could be a JW and yet carry a gun , he said at the time they kept their guns in the glove compartment of the police car when on duty. So I further pressed him that if his police partner was being threatened would he use his gun to protect him/her? He had to admit he would and was very awkward about it. I became a JW still and used to remind him of that conversation, he struggled with that and eventually years later asked to get a transfer to be a court officer and that seemed to appease his conscience ,the elders left him alone but I saw the hypocrisy and he knew it.

He also knew that during the Vietnam war I was in the Royal Australian Navy and left as a concietious objector before I had ever heard of JW's ,this still bothers me how I was so dumb to become a JW.

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Who will Survive Armageddon?

by Vanderhoven7 in

breaking news....there is hope for good hearted non-jws!!!.

according to sergio:.

are jehovah's witnesses the only ones to be saved during the end time?.

wozza

They do speak two different stories ,we would hedge around this issue when we called on people.

"Observe, however, that Jesus did not leave it up to humans to determine who are the "sheep" and who are the "goats." How fine that is! For, if we humans were responsible to judge, how could we properly evaluate factors such as: How much of an opportunity did a person have to hear and accept the good news?"

And yet that is the very thing that happens ,we were taught to only view ourselves in the WTS that would get saved !

What about the ark and the city of refuge etc ,no room for hope for those outside ,what hypocrites.

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Which of you readers are being shunned by their relatives / friends ?

by stan livedeath in

a simple " me" if you dont want to say more--or a short explanation about who is shunning you and how long has this been going on.. i'll set the ball rolling: my daughter--her husband and children; my younger son --no contact from them for 40 years...because i left their religion.. (edit--i just noticed the typo in the header--if should be of ).

wozza

I stopped going to meetings about 17 years ago, but after I exposed child molestors in my hall to sisters calling on my door the elders were around pretty quick.

Since then I am am satan to them and only had JW's who have not read the do not call list come to my door or newer elders call me.

All the JW's in my old state and home have shut me out.

Just the other day my ex wife called me to let me know one of her young nephews who had a wife and two children suicided ,when we lived in that state years ago we had alot to do with his JW family both he and his older sister were still JW's. His sister has been married 3 times and she is only about 32. The boys grand father is a JW pedophile and his father had sex (and a child} with his wifes little sister when she was 12 and this crime was hidden by the elders and the parents of the girl (also JW's) from the police years ago.

Because of the closeness to the dead nephew and his sister, I said to my ex that I would go to the funeral normally ,but since I am shunned by all who I once associated with as a JW it would be pointless of me to go and show my support of the dead young man's family. It would make a bad situation worse so I am not going but my ex (left when I did) is going with her brother{a JW) and she is at a loss to know what reception she will get . This religion is really ugly.

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WT Style Pacificism

by Sea Breeze in

episode 203 of netflix ... i am a killer looks at the murder of christopher chavez in texas.

christopher chavez was a 22 year old ministerial servant and a born-in son of an jw elder.

after a thursday night meeting and a quick bite to eat afterwards with friends at a local restaurant, he was kidnapped, taken to a gas station and forced to drive his killers around for hours while they were in the back seat.

wozza

Most witnesses would have followed the same course I suppose because the they believe the sky daddy will be watching/protecting them.

But if your an elder and another JW defrauds you ,turning the cheek or letting yourself be wronged would be ignored and vengeance is yours to mete out.

Life can be tough ,we have had someone smashing on our door at early hours of the morning several times,no idea who it is and my partner is terrified. Now if I was a witness and called the police they probably would not come but I did call the police the last time and told them what happened ,then I said you had better send someone because I am not of a kind disposition toward the person doing this for the second time that night ,and they will find a body in the street. Well they were there in a few minutes.

Sadly we are not patting pandas and lions like in a cartoon living a life of pretend ,nor will we ever be.

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Next time a jw says "the end is sooo close now"

by nowwhat? in

say this.

with what's going on the world does it look like they are going to proclaim peace and security anytime soon?!

or was the organization wrong again about the end times?.

wozza

Yes Smiddy3 "

3 days ago

Remember friends the United Nations declared 1986 as the International Year of Peace and Security

That re-hashed grey book we took to peoples homes so enthusiastically ,what stupid redone prophetic book.

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Are YOU saved?

by JW Answers in

sadly today, many churches and religious organisations teach their followers that they are saved based on something the bible does not record.

many people are following a lie, and are heading to a lost eternity and do not know it.. my question here is... are you saved?

it's vitally important to know!.

wozza

Thanks Vanderhoven for your views even though I think you hedge around direct questions I know you are'nt the one who decides who is saved ,and that part of being saved is a getting that personal relationship with Jesus and faith. But as I tried to point out some one in rural China or any isolated place has a disadvantage in getting to have that faith thru circumstance ,now your faith might need to dismiss this issue by saying Jesus has the power to reach any worthy one, but from my view of history and the world as it stands now it does not allow this selective thinking.

That is a pretty good summation of the WTS view on things but it seems to be so tiresome to think that people need to be tested and re tested to get life and even then if one errs only once they will be destroyed.

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Are YOU saved?

by JW Answers in

sadly today, many churches and religious organisations teach their followers that they are saved based on something the bible does not record.

many people are following a lie, and are heading to a lost eternity and do not know it.. my question here is... are you saved?

it's vitally important to know!.

wozza

@Vanderhoven - sorry for the late reply busy weekend ,I get that you are trying to use scripture to answer but you seem to be dealing mostly with the dead and coming back to be educated to be saved , but I was asking what people in YOUR view would be saved and I gave 2 specific examples.

I guess I'm trying to pin down whether you have a view on who will be saved from the living ,because if one talks to a broad collection of people who claim to be christian they undoubtedly give different answers. As I gave an example of someone I studied with who was not true to the belief he held as an Assembly of God hypocrite.

I have found that christians tend to gloss over or go around what they are supposed to believe when trying to explain why they think they are saved and the gifts of the spirit are supposedly displayed in their groups.

I think for alot of people christianity is confusing because of the different answers one can get and also how difficult answers are given without clarity but a "because it so" is given.

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Are YOU saved?

by JW Answers in

sadly today, many churches and religious organisations teach their followers that they are saved based on something the bible does not record.

many people are following a lie, and are heading to a lost eternity and do not know it.. my question here is... are you saved?

it's vitally important to know!.

wozza

@ vanderhoven - If some one by circumstance is born and lives in a country like China for example and accepts their traditional religious beliefs , or say someone is in Australia and is a JW but thinks they are christian ,will christ save them?

Or do you believe he will only save those ones that you believe belong to only a handful of churches that you find acceptable out of the 40,000 christian orgs now about?