You see Mr Jackson, that if you had kept the book study groups going in the brothers homes, you would have someone to run to ,but now the great trib has started you got nowhere to hide .Ha Ha I'm loving this ....gotta go for a walk to see if I'm dreaming this!
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239Royal Commission Live Hearing Now
by LostinJapan inwednesday 5 , day 7 live hearing.
case study 29, july 2015, sydney.
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Royal Commission Live Hearing Now
by LostinJapan inwednesday 5 , day 7 live hearing.
case study 29, july 2015, sydney.
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Oooo this is good O'brien trying to be evasive on who has to make decisions on whether the WTS would provide victim support alongside other churches -
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Royal Commission Live Hearing Now
by LostinJapan inwednesday 5 , day 7 live hearing.
case study 29, july 2015, sydney.
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O'brien says he would recommend to the GB what the commission recommends what a load of crap typical WT BS -
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Royal Commission Live Hearing Now
by LostinJapan inwednesday 5 , day 7 live hearing.
case study 29, july 2015, sydney.
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O'brien playing round and round the garden , but Mr Clellan is having none of that .
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As to the question that JWs can be members of the police force ,yes ,at one time a brother I knew ,south of Adelaide South Australia was for years an officer, and when I challenged him on this when I first became JW he was annoyed and when I pushed the point that he is issued with a gun he said he would keep it in the glove box of the patrol car ,when further pressed as whether he would use it if his partner was threatened he would not answer me.
The Elders knew of his job. He later resigned after about 20 years of service to be a guard of the court.
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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 insorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.
i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.
he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
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Photobombing the Ministerial Servant's incentive rewards at the Regional Convention
by oppostate inwatchtower marketing incentive rewards for young single baptized males in the 0rganization.. .
the face of the photobombing brother in the background says it all.
like a child in a candy shop.
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A desperate attempt by the GB to stop the young men from enjoying Lycra an turning gay? -
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Jehovah's Witnesses "Handling Child Abuse Matters" flowchart
by jwleaks injw leaks courtesy of the australian royal commission.
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The WTS is interested in totally minimizing news of molestation and keeping it quiet from others in the org and congregations , to demonstrate this consider one personal account of dealing with elders in my old congregation.
There were 10 elders in my congregation and when I reported to the PO that they had a pedophile in their midst who that week had been witnessing in my street with a youth as his assistant the elder was stunned I knew that the man was a pedophile so we made arrangements for the elder to come back to my place later to talk further about this.
When he came he brought another elder with him ,we talked and I pointed out that this pedophile had grabbed and hugged a young child at the back of the KH after one meeting and I witnessed it and the childs grand mother.
They tried to minimize this act and I pointed out that they had to protect the congo from predators like this (the pedo was an ex elder). They wanted to know how I knew the man was a pedo and I proceeded to tell them that was'nt the issue here .
Now the PO new the man was but I don't think the other elder did so I asked why the second elder did not know and the PO said only the 3 committee members of the case needed to know because of privacy.
Well I turned to the other elder who was fairly new to our congo and had moved in from another state 2 years or so before with his wife and 12 year old daughter. So I asked him how he felt about a pedo in the congo which,as an elder , he did not know about ,I asked how can a body of 10 elders in our congo be expected to protect the children in the congo when only 3 of 10 elders even knew about the pedo in our midst - mind you this pedo had nearly all publisher privileges including answering at the Watchtower study etc
This did not sit well with them but I pursued reasoning with the new elder and asked him what he would feel like if ,in a few years , his daughter came forward and said a brother molested her back in their old congo by a pedo who was only known to 3 elders of a complete body, how would you ? knowing that only a small number of shepherds could protect his daughter and that if he knew who the pedo was he could have protected here but could'nt because of WTS policy .
Needless to say he looked ill and they both left promptly ,sad but true story and i bet there's lots more like it.
AN ADDITION TO THIS STORY IS THAT THE PEDO ENDED UP IN JAIL BUT NOT BECAUSE OF THE ELDERS ,HE WAS CHARGED FROM OUTSIDE THE CONGO FOR MOLESTATION AND THEY EVEN USED TO VISIT HIM IN JAIL ,ITS A BIT LIKE WHAT CAME OUT AT THE ROYAL COMMISION - THEY CARE MORE ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE PERPETRATOR THAN THE VICTIMS
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How many of the 1.006 alleged abusers will be investigated by Police?
by Listener inthe commission has the names of 1,006 alleged abusers within australian congregations since 1950. some will have died and others will already have been prosecuted but the branch did not report any of these allegations to police.. the terms of reference for the royal commission is more about redress for the victims but that can include criminal prosecution although they are more focused on financial compensation.. however, now that they have the names of 1,006 potential criminals there is some responsibility to see that they are dealt with criminally.
it appears to be in their authority to have cases followed through by referring them for further investigation.
this is clear because the commissioner has recently reported that to date, they have done so in 493 cases identified within the scope of their commission.
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My ex was one of the victims and recieved a letter from the service committee so I would like to know if she is one of the 1006 ,if not that would show that they are burying records ,I will contact her and see if she still has that letter. -
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The JW's 2 witness rule applied to Molestation is wrong AND HERE'S WHY
by wozza inthis is not the first time i've written about this, but with the royal commission happening here in australia, and having fought against the wts on this problem of molestation in the wts over a period of 15 years i feel a need to explain what i found which contradicts what the wts says and the way they handle cases within their society.. i am not going to give the history of my involvement but just state simply why no-one can believe what the wts says ,and we all know the scriptures they use to not handle cases of molestation properly , so here goes , it's not tricky or hard to understand i think, but just use the bible against them (hope this is used at the commission).. i,m using the revised berkely version in plain english here ,.
the context is law giving in the book of deuteronomy ch 22 : vs 22 - 27. vs 22 "when a man is surprised abed with a married woman,they shall both die ,the man who lay with the woman and the woman too; you shall wipe out the evil from israel.".
so this is easy to grasp ,man sleeps with married woman ,judged to die -they got caught.. next vs 23- 24 "when a man comes upon a girl in the city, who is a virgin betrothed to another , and he lies with her,24 you shall bring them both to the gate of the city and stone them to death, the girl because she did not cry out, although the city was all about her, and the man because he violated his neighbour's wife.
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Yep and if they go back on their old teachings they will be burnt alive and they know it .so they continue to ignore this "new light " that I've pointed to from their own crap book and make exceptions !