Thanks for that Jonah ,i guess they have to be kept busy otherwise they might go on the internet and find the truth
Posts by wozza
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6Just got a letter from a local JW
by wozza ina local brother has called on me 3 times in the last few months and has just sent me a letter ,.
in the previous calls we kept it simple : i have'nt been to meetings for years ,don't believe in god now ,etc.
touched on how i was appalled at how the org handles child molestation and they were quick to say that there have been problems but the governing body has it handled now blah blah.
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Just got a letter from a local JW
by wozza ina local brother has called on me 3 times in the last few months and has just sent me a letter ,.
in the previous calls we kept it simple : i have'nt been to meetings for years ,don't believe in god now ,etc.
touched on how i was appalled at how the org handles child molestation and they were quick to say that there have been problems but the governing body has it handled now blah blah.
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A local brother has called on me 3 times in the last few months and has just sent me a letter ,
In the previous calls we kept it simple : I have'nt been to meetings for years ,don't believe in god now ,etc
Touched on how I was appalled at how the Org handles child molestation and they were quick to say that there have been problems but the governing body has it handled now blah blah
I even surprised myself for my restraint at that point having dealt with this issue extensively in the org myself but I just wanted to fish for info over a bit of time and see if they had DF'd me remotely.
Have taken a few tracts etc even an old watchtower which I thought was funny for the "truth"has probably changed in a year.
Then I get this posted letter with a tract saying that due to the Covid they are not calling on people and naturally pointing to this being a sign the end is near- is anyone else getting this ? I'm in South Australia
Anyway I typed up a reply on one topic as to why his tract had no relevance to me because the authors of that tract are liars and pointed the UN affair providing the letter from the UN showing the Affiliation of the WTS to the UN as an NGO.
Also how this affair was revealed thru The Guardian in Great Britain in 2001 . OK it's old news but I've seen him around many years ago when I was a JW ,I remember him but he does'nt recall me so he would the old days and the old ways and teachings so I thought I could appeal to that.
Well i'm posting it off today for he gave his full name and address on the envelope he sent me ,I wonder what will happen for I was quite frank in detailing the wrongness and lies and deciept of the WTS quoting non apostate material
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Remember the Revelation book?
by wozza ini recall when it was released ,that's when i was a drone, how excited i felt at the prospect of reading it and formulating ways to sell it at the homes in my area.. i thought, finally a book to explain the last book in the bible and indeed one that the churches seemed to want to leave alone!.
i sold quite a few probably because of my enthusiasm and can still remember clearly the first day when i went knocking on doors with it ,and it's been decades since.. but over time it lost it's shine and my mind started to question the explanations in it due to the scene of other things being changed in the jw beliefs.. do you remember they flogged that book so many times in the book studies even when it was found to have "newer light " eclipsing it!.
who else remembers the printed pages with the official corrections to insert into the book ,so many that the book collapsed to be of no relevance anymore really.....what an embarrassment!.
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wozza
I'm so glad many remember this book ,it was profound in so many ways ,and not so good for the WTS history of revealing truths.
The Cedar Point thing was such a big deal for the brothers but what significance does it have now in WTS theology?
This book is a marking of point of WTS failure in my opinion and yet I was so deluded to think it was special.
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Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"
by AlainAlam insorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.
i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.
but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!
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I think that is one of the reasons they don;t identify who wrote which article.
They have done this before especially when they first released the new world translation of the bible, not identifying who the commitee was.
Different reason maybe, but the effect of their mock humility to the sheep is that they are so humble and ":discreet", deflecting mock humility to jehovah as the "real" author , as in scripture, "do not interpretations belong to god"
Of course this begs the question - if the GB gets interpretation wrong ,well it's gods fault because he has waited this long to reveal new light ? And after all the sheep can't blame any one person for a wrong interpretation because they don't know who signed off on it because all internal WTS letters and works are preceeded with a code to identify the author only to the big wigs of the WTS !
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Cardinal George Pell Acquitted Of Child sex Abuse !
by smiddy3 incardinal george pell the australian catholic who was the 3rd most senior person in the vatican was acquitted by the high court of australia of all sex charges against him this morning.. after serving about 400 days behind bars he is now free to walk out of jail, to the shock of many.. this should make news headlines all around the world judging by past experience..
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wozza
so the catholic church still has political clout in the courts ,what a surprise how sad.
And the victims must be liars according to the judges
I guess a few priests might celebrate and induldge themselves
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Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"
by AlainAlam insorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.
i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.
but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!
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wozza
Alain - true it is for all christians but I was dealing with the WTS
As regards to Solomons writings and his worship ,he did this before his apostacy BUT the same could be said of Ray Franz of more recent times ,a governing body member who wrote alot of material for the WTS including material in the Aid book .
But look how they treated him and would not now use his words as Gospel would they?
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Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"
by AlainAlam insorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.
i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.
but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!
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wozza
I disagree with NittyGritty ,the governing body provided a clause to the JW marraige contract to get out of a marraige.
No one can convince me that the brothers at that time would have ignored the decision of the body then and said to themself that I hate my mate but I will ignore the GB and endure the lewd conduct! they would have done what we all did , fall in line with JW teaching.
The inconsistent JW teachings can be demonstrated by this fact ,that GB condemns ones for not doing everything they teach as an apostate ,and yet they accept and glorify the writings of Solomon in the bible , yet he died an apostate to the kingdom of god in his time!
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam inthe witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.
i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.
1) no verse says that.
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wozza
From a JW point of view how can the PAST sins of the dead be used against them when they paid for their sins when they Died?
Yet ,the bible says ,as has been posted earlier they WILL be judged on their past sins or conversely ,on the good things they did? John 5 28.29 the fall guy
You see how pathetically inconsistant the bible is and JW teaching.
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Remember the Revelation book?
by wozza ini recall when it was released ,that's when i was a drone, how excited i felt at the prospect of reading it and formulating ways to sell it at the homes in my area.. i thought, finally a book to explain the last book in the bible and indeed one that the churches seemed to want to leave alone!.
i sold quite a few probably because of my enthusiasm and can still remember clearly the first day when i went knocking on doors with it ,and it's been decades since.. but over time it lost it's shine and my mind started to question the explanations in it due to the scene of other things being changed in the jw beliefs.. do you remember they flogged that book so many times in the book studies even when it was found to have "newer light " eclipsing it!.
who else remembers the printed pages with the official corrections to insert into the book ,so many that the book collapsed to be of no relevance anymore really.....what an embarrassment!.
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wozza
I recall when it was released ,that's when I was a drone, how excited I felt at the prospect of reading it and formulating ways to sell it at the homes in my area.
I thought, finally a book to explain the last book in the bible and indeed one that the churches seemed to want to leave alone!
I sold quite a few probably because of my enthusiasm and can still remember clearly the first day when I went knocking on doors with it ,and it's been decades since.
But over time it lost it's shine and my mind started to question the explanations in it due to the scene of other things being changed in the JW beliefs.
Do you remember they flogged that book so many times in the book studies even when it was found to have "newer light " eclipsing it!
Who else remembers the printed pages with the official corrections to insert into the book ,so many that the book collapsed to be of no relevance anymore really.....what an embarrassment!
Hell and don't get me started on that other
"BOMBSHELL"er bucket of lies the CREATION book. -
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Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"
by AlainAlam insorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.
i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.
but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!
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wozza
No problem Alain keep your observations coming ,there's alot of JW's with time on their hands now who might pop in here !