So the spirits in heaven were around for the creation of people and yet it took all that time to suddenly " notice " the women on earth ? Sounds like a childs story ,perhaps the groaning the old witnesses heard was the returned spirits playing with each others willies!
Posts by wozza
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46Nephilim...Only desired females
by RULES & REGULATIONS inbible questions answered.
who were the nephilim?.
the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.
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wozza
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1975 selling of houses
by Paul Bonanno inas 1975 was approaching, many witnesses sold their property.
do you know about specific cases that are willing to share their experience of doing so?.
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wozza
If I had known about and read that 1969 Awake I never would have become a witness. My first study was in about 1974 with an elder and he had the faith in 1975 ,so when I asked him about the 1975 teaching he was a bit cagey at first but said that he thought it would happen then.
I said my soon to be MIL said nobody knows the day or hour ,he was awkward about this and I quit my study then but was sucked in later because my wife became a JW. But that Awake would have sealed it forever if I had known .
And another thing I remember is that at the time a lot of brothers were pedalling Life insurance for a living ,if they believed in 1975 they must have had good chuckle amongst themselves for those poor bastards about to die.
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Souls on Ice
by peacefulpete inyou may have seen the story of the couple who just gave birth to twins who developed from embryos frozen for 30 years.
i'm delighted for the parents and hope the twins grow to be healthy.
it does pose some questions for those who insist embryos are in fact humans with souls.
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wozza
Which leads to what if someone is dying passes and then goes through a cryogenic process, does the spirit get locked in and frozen in time if the process is done 13 seconds (for example) after the last breath?
What if the process was late by 4 seconds and the spirit leaves to go to god ,does it crave to go back to the body later?
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Souls on Ice
by peacefulpete inyou may have seen the story of the couple who just gave birth to twins who developed from embryos frozen for 30 years.
i'm delighted for the parents and hope the twins grow to be healthy.
it does pose some questions for those who insist embryos are in fact humans with souls.
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wozza
So would the soul be created in the embryo at the meeting of the sperm and egg ,or when the embryo starts multiplying ,or when the eventual feotus breaths it's first breath ?
Or perhaps the soul is the fertilized egg and has no spirit so therefore could be considered not a human life?
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Noah's Ark - Kentucky
by BoogerMan inregardless of belief/non-belief in the bible account, why is the ark nearly always depicted by both believers & non-believers as a huge boat, with a rounded hull & stern, and a tapered bow?
https://arkencounter.com/ .
the ark was crate shaped according to the measurements.
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wozza
@Stephane Laliberti
" It just amazes me how JWs are almost offended at the sight of a boat shaped arc because that's not the way its been drawn by Watchtower artists."
Well they won't be too shocked at the old WT pictures of the snake in the garden of Eden .........it had legs according to WT artists
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Souls on Ice
by peacefulpete inyou may have seen the story of the couple who just gave birth to twins who developed from embryos frozen for 30 years.
i'm delighted for the parents and hope the twins grow to be healthy.
it does pose some questions for those who insist embryos are in fact humans with souls.
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wozza
Good question PP
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List of Things We Were NOT Allowed To Do as JW's
by Sea Breeze inhere's my list of jw no-no's as i recall: .
1. no giving or accepting valentine candy for students.
2. no going to home coming football games.
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wozza
Rattigan
In the past here it was seen as like serving in the military but with a little grayness ,since they did not carry.
These days the police carry guns all the time so I am not sure whether there are still JW police officers.
It's interesting to note that the society used this particular brothers knowlege and involvement to assist them in the "Security" department at assemblies!
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List of Things We Were NOT Allowed To Do as JW's
by Sea Breeze inhere's my list of jw no-no's as i recall: .
1. no giving or accepting valentine candy for students.
2. no going to home coming football games.
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wozza
@ Smiddy
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11. Cannot be a Police Officer
There were two police officers in the congs,I attended ."
When I started studying again 1980 in Adelaide South Australia there was a single brother who was a police officer and sometimes he was brought by my study conductor to sit in on my study. I posed the question to him as to how he could be a JW and yet carry a gun , he said at the time they kept their guns in the glove compartment of the police car when on duty. So I further pressed him that if his police partner was being threatened would he use his gun to protect him/her? He had to admit he would and was very awkward about it. I became a JW still and used to remind him of that conversation, he struggled with that and eventually years later asked to get a transfer to be a court officer and that seemed to appease his conscience ,the elders left him alone but I saw the hypocrisy and he knew it.
He also knew that during the Vietnam war I was in the Royal Australian Navy and left as a concietious objector before I had ever heard of JW's ,this still bothers me how I was so dumb to become a JW.
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Who will Survive Armageddon?
by Vanderhoven7 inbreaking news....there is hope for good hearted non-jws!!!.
according to sergio:.
are jehovah's witnesses the only ones to be saved during the end time?.
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wozza
They do speak two different stories ,we would hedge around this issue when we called on people.
"Observe, however, that Jesus did not leave it up to humans to determine who are the "sheep" and who are the "goats." How fine that is! For, if we humans were responsible to judge, how could we properly evaluate factors such as: How much of an opportunity did a person have to hear and accept the good news?"
And yet that is the very thing that happens ,we were taught to only view ourselves in the WTS that would get saved !
What about the ark and the city of refuge etc ,no room for hope for those outside ,what hypocrites.
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Which of you readers are being shunned by their relatives / friends ?
by stan livedeath ina simple " me" if you dont want to say more--or a short explanation about who is shunning you and how long has this been going on.. i'll set the ball rolling: my daughter--her husband and children; my younger son --no contact from them for 40 years...because i left their religion.. (edit--i just noticed the typo in the header--if should be of ).
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wozza
I stopped going to meetings about 17 years ago, but after I exposed child molestors in my hall to sisters calling on my door the elders were around pretty quick.
Since then I am am satan to them and only had JW's who have not read the do not call list come to my door or newer elders call me.
All the JW's in my old state and home have shut me out.
Just the other day my ex wife called me to let me know one of her young nephews who had a wife and two children suicided ,when we lived in that state years ago we had alot to do with his JW family both he and his older sister were still JW's. His sister has been married 3 times and she is only about 32. The boys grand father is a JW pedophile and his father had sex (and a child} with his wifes little sister when she was 12 and this crime was hidden by the elders and the parents of the girl (also JW's) from the police years ago.
Because of the closeness to the dead nephew and his sister, I said to my ex that I would go to the funeral normally ,but since I am shunned by all who I once associated with as a JW it would be pointless of me to go and show my support of the dead young man's family. It would make a bad situation worse so I am not going but my ex (left when I did) is going with her brother{a JW) and she is at a loss to know what reception she will get . This religion is really ugly.