If you want to smoke, I'd suggest either cannabis or hookah. Hookah is very mellow and smooth and actually doesn't burn or irritate the lungs. And it tastes good, too! Comes in many flavors and they've been smoking it in India for centuries. I love it, personally. AND it isn't addicting because it doesn't contain all the chemicals that traditional cigs do. And, as a side note, if you smoke menthol hookah when you have a cold, it helps to clear your lungs and makes you feel better.
Morbidzbaby
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I've been thinking about starting smoking. Should I ....
by Quirky1 instart with the patch or the gum?
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Morbidzbaby
I'd have to say "Stupify" by Disturbed. The actual music video isn't on YouTube anymore, but it was pretty cool. The song itself is about an interracial relationship that wasn't allowed to continue because of prejudice, but the specific lyrics that apply to me personally are the bridge and chorus:
Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality?
I can feel it all start slipping, I think I'm breaking down
Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality?
I can feel it all start slipping away
See but I don't get it
Don't you think maybe we could put it on credit?
Don't you think it can take control when I don't let it?
I get stupefied, it's all the same you say, live with it
But I don't get it
Don't you think maybe we could put it on credit?
Don't you think it can take control when I don't let it
I get stupefied, I get stupefied -
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Are You Surprised That Some "Intelligent" People Still Are Witnesses?
by minimus ini know some very sharp men and women that remain as jws and that perplexes me at times.
i even know of a jw whose daughter got molested by her jw ministerial servant uncle and she still believes this is the "truth", even though she took her family member to court and won!.
i don't get it..
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Morbidzbaby
My soon-to-be ex-husband is one of them. My father is another. Dad converted when I was 21, and although I can understand his belief in God, I wish he would really examine the JW religion itself. If I have the hope of reaching anyone and making them think, it's Dad. He's level-headed and he listens. Mom is just another sheeple, sadly. And my ex... *sigh* he is SUCH an intelligent man in so many ways. He even went so far as to question the religion and do his own research and wrote a letter of disassociation. At that time, I was scared crapless that I would be shunned because my husband had DA'ed himself and I still thought it was possibly the Truth, so I used the same stinking "DUBble"-speak and convinced him he was wrong and he retracted his letter. After that, there was no stopping him. He was forceful with his beliefs and went so far as to impose his conscience on me and told me what I could and could not do/listen to/read/watch, etc. Begging him to retract his letter was the worst thing I could have done. Now he is stronger in JW than ever and because I don't believe in it, I'm scum...I'm not trustworthy (well, I did have an emotional affair on him, so he's kind of right in that sense), I'll bring bad elements into the house, I'm a bad influence on my children, the list goes on. So...he kicked me out and because I had been unemployed for pretty much all of our marriage, I had no means to support myself or my children, so he kept them and sent me away. I really feel that if he would really LOOK at things, really try to understand the truth of it all without using JW literature, that he would see and MAYBE we could be a family again. But there's no reaching him at this point in time. I truly wish there was, though.
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Long term effects of Armageddon images
by Lady Lee insomeone i know is having a hard time with anxiety attacks.
she hasn't been a jw since a teen.
recently she has started seeing a therapist.
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Morbidzbaby
The only real effect the illustrations had on me was nausea...specifically the "Mankind's Search for God" book with it's realistic portayal of Aztec human sacrifice. A man being held down on an altar screaming in agony, his skin having that grayish pallor of death, his heart freshly cut out and being held up to the sun while blood drips down the holder's arm and pools from the victim and proceeds to flood down the stairs. HELLO?! Why the hell would you put something like that into a book that little children are going to see? When it was released at the convention, I remember flipping through it to look at the pictures and getting an instant wave of nausea when I found that illustration. To this day, I still associate the smell of new books with that image and it makes me a little queasy.
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Morbidzbaby
I know I do. I WAY overanalyze. In fact, it's gotten me into a bit of a snag over the past week. I was upset because I'm usually the one who calls or texts my partner, whereas if I didn't do it every day, I wouldn't hear from him for 2 or 3 days. I feel like he doesn't care about me like I care about him...like maybe I'm not important enough to him to get in touch with. I feel like I am the one chasing him and I'm the aggressor in our relationship and I have ALWAYS felt that way in my past relationships and I friggin' HATE it. I hate feeling like I have to chase someone down and like I'm not important to him. It cheeses me off, but I wasn't going to talk to him about it. I was just going to let it go. But he always knows when something is wrong with me, so he asked me to tell him. I calmly explained (through text) how I was feeling, but he assumed I was yelling at him and he hasn't spoken to me for a week. And now I'm sitting here wondering how I could have changed things, what he's thinking, if he wants to continue this relationship, if he even loves me at all, etc. And he won't talk to me so I can make it right. He's upset over a misunderstanding, but he won't just talk to me so we can fix it and it's driving me bonkers! And the longer he goes without talking to me, the more I analyze things. And I can't wait forever and put my life on hold until he decides to talk to me. I don't know HOW long it will be. The longer the silence, the more intense the analyzation. So I just have one thing to say to guys out there...Friggin' TALK! Christ! We can't make it right if you shut us out. Guys complain that women do this, but yet a lot of them do the same damn thing. ARGH!
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Have you been able to find security after leaving JW's?
by MacNCheese ini've been a non-jw (apostate, da--depending on who's reading) for about seven years now after growing up at jw.
one of the hardest things i've had to overcome was the sense of security that being a jw gives you.
for example: i personally am somewhat affraid to fly and remember growing up praying as hard as possible that the plane wouldn't go down and for god to ease my nerves; it usually worked.
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I find that having to rely on myself to learn the truth about life and "god" has been very liberating. Not being force-fed some ridiculous tripe and learning the facts for myself and forming my own conclusions is a wonderful feeling.
I'm insecure, but not in religion. Moreso in relationships because I was raised with the fear of "worldly" association. I don't know who to trust right now. My trust in people in general is kind of shaky. I was raised to believe that all worldly people lie, they're all back-stabbers, and they will all turn on you and rip your throat out eventually. Funny thing, though...I experienced these very things 3 times a week at the local Kingdom Hall.
I think another source of liberation for me has been knowing that I can do things I want to without repercussion. As a JW I let people walk all over me. I cowtowed to what other people wanted. I hid my true self in an effort to be perfect for others. If someone said something offensive or pushed me around, I shut my mouth and took it because "we need to give a good example and not drag Jehovah's name through the mud". Well that all ended the last time I flew lol. I was jammed next to this guy who kept complaining because he had to sit next to the fat girl. The problem was that he actually spilled over into MY seat, so his ass was rubbing against mine during the whole stinking 5 hour flight. He kept grumbling to his wife, and I kept increasing in my level of "Pissed Off". We were late getting in to the airport and everyone jumped up and was taking their carryons out of the overhead compartments and I stood up, but couldn't get out into the aisle because there was a huge tight line of people in front of me and they were there first and well, I'm not rude lol. So he starts barking at me and telling me that I gotta move because he has a flight to catch. At that point, after listening to his griping the whole time and then this, I turned around, looked him right in the eye (which was difficult cause I'm really short lol) and I pointed to all the people in front of me and said "You see all these people?? They have the same goddamn issue as you. And just like them, you're going to have to wait your fucking turn! Now sit your ass down!". That felt awesome! I can definitely say I am secure in my ability to stand up for myself now!
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Have you joined a new religious organisation since leaving the JW's?
by Wee John insince leaving the jw's did you actively seek out another organisation, or did it find you?.
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have you found yourself apathetic to all religions?.
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Morbidzbaby
I've been doing a great deal of my own research. Mainly, I'm looking into the Bible itself and what history has to say about it. I just finished reading "Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (And Why We Don't Know About Them)" by Bart D. Ehrman. Amazing amazing read. I loved it. It really showed me the historical perspective on the Bible, specifically the New Testament. It has helped immensely with deciding which direction I'm going to go in.
I'm with sspo on this one. If there is a god, I'm waiting for proof of it and waiting for his/her/its instructions. I do not believe the Bible is "God's Word". I don't believe it was inspired. There are too many discrepencies, too many books that disagree with each other, and too many of the books are forgeries. If it were truly the word of god, you'd think he'd take better care to make sure it was harmonious and not authored by liars *shrug*. I believe it DOES inspire those who read it to live moral and decent lives, but I don't believe it has to be followed to the letter in order for a person to be happy.
I will not join another religion, for the simple fact that I feel it is unnecessary. I believe we're here for a short time with nothing else afterward, and I don't want to waste my short lifespan chasing the impossible.
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What is Divorce like for a Baptised JW
by survived75 incould you please tell me just what happens at the congregation level when a baptised brother gets divorced?.
does he just go ahead and do it legally or must he let the elders know?
the situation i am wondering about is a fellow who was separated from his non jw wife for several years after she quit attending the kh.
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Morbidzbaby
I've seen first hand the Witnesses advocate for a separation based on the law of absolute endangerment of spirituality. The Witnesses physically moved a friend's wife out of their home and set her up with a Witness roommate.
Something similar happened in my case. My ex's family basically told me to leave...leave my ex, leave my children, leave PERIOD. They threatened me with legal action and threatened to report me as an unfit mother, made horrible accusations, and eventually forced me to do just what they wanted me to. I was alone and had no choice in the matter whatsoever. Couple their threats and accusations with false testimony from JW's in our congregation. And my ex would not listen to me, even though I was being absolutely truthful with him. They moved me across the country with nowhere to go and no money or job or prospects. They just threw me away. The ex gave me a couple hundred dollars and wished me the best of luck. He has learned the truth since I have been gone and realizes just how much of a shitty situation I was in. In my case, I do NOT want to be JW anymore. This just solidified it. So I am a spiritual danger to him, apparently. The elders tried to get me to sit down and talk before I left, but I could see no point whatsoever in doing so. I had been doing everything "right", but there was so much testimony against me that I knew I'd never stand.
Divorce in JW is horrible...but those who can accomplish it are the lucky ones. The unlucky are trapped in stagnant marriages, their only way out is death or infidelity.
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so i made another meeting..#2....not as bad this time...
by oompa inmy texting prowess during the meeting continue to improve...mostly during wt study which i can totally tune out....the talk was actually good....but the best part.....i got to go out to lunch with wife and 8 old friends and knock back a few brews!....ones who have never shunned me anyway so the true friends...true, i can go out with them at other times, but it was nice being with my wife and hangin out after da meetin.
i also brought some other reading material in the back of my bible....hey, i might be able to do this a couiple of times a month, and my wife knows 100% now i do not believe the bible is inspired, i do not believe in an active spirit world, and that we do not have the truth, and that the fds may be sincere, but do not have a clue what the bible means and are not led by holy spit!.....................oompa.
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Morbidzbaby
I can understand why you're doing it. I've thought of it myself. My husband has my children...kicked me out with no hope of returning unless I go back to the bOrg, or at the very least, give up a lot of the things I enjoy (which are not detrimental to ANYONE, least of all my kids!). I don't want him, I don't want to be with him, and I want my freedom to choose what is right for me. I wasn't falling in line, so I got the shaft. I've thought about sucking it up and going back just so I could be with my kids again. I can't even have visitation because I'm so far away. I haven't seen them in months. But as painful as this is right now, I know that it will get better. I have to save MYSELF before I can save them. I cannot go back and pretend. I understand why you are doing it, Oompa...and you obviously are a stronger person in that respect. I couldn't withstand the pressure.
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Need your comments on Luke 20:34,35
by truthlover indealing with the seven brothers and the one wife - jesus said, they will be as the angels, and cannot die anymore so my ??
is if they are not going to heaven and will stay on the earth as "eunuchs" are they "princes" since they cannot die anymore and arent supposed to go to heaven, so sayeth the wtb$??
and if the mate goes thru armageddon , apparently they will not live as husb and wife anymore ... any one out there with some insight on this?
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Morbidzbaby
I've struggled with this myself. It makes absolutely no sense to me when explained by the WTS. I look at my parents and their relationship. Both are dubs. They ADORE each other. My dad has so many plans for the "New System" and they all involve mom. He wants more children with her. He wants to be with her forever. Yet, what if mom dies? What if dad dies? According to JW beliefs, neither will be able to be with the other in any other way but as brother and sister...as friends. And even then, because they are male and female, it would be frowned upon for them to be close friends. because we all know that friendships with the opposite sex can NEVER be platonic! The resurrection theory was my reason for ignoring the advice to "wait until the New System" to have children. What if I die? Then I would have no mate, and thus be unable to have children at all! And I wanted to be a mother, so their advice went in one ear and out the other. Same with their prohibition on remarriage after divorce (if it was not a divorce due to infidelity). Okay, so I can't stand being with my husband, I'm miserable, and I want out. I can separate, I can eventually divorce (but not without the elders trying to coerce me to choose otherwise), but I cannot remarry. If I do, I will be disfellowshipped for adultery. Okay...but that also means if I make it through "Armageddon", I'll be married to this bastard for-fucking-EVER!! Oh but we'll be PERFECT! So he'll be a perfect asshole!
So in other words, in JW-land, those who die beforehand will be resurrected, but SORRY! You're gonna be lonely, unfulfilled, and childless. What an existance! But, what a GIFT from Jehovah! *eye roll*