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  Remarrying, then paradise =problem?

  by Inisc in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a question i always wondered about and never got an answer to.. its also another reason why i'm finding it harder to believe in an 'afterlife'.. th idea that humans can live forever, now seems so scientificly impossible.. so i wanted to ask all the great minds on here,.

  if someone's spouse dies, and then they remarry,then armageddon comes and goes then the deceased is resurrected,.

  how,is that ever gonna work?

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  @renderme~ Welcome to the forum. It's become clear that all the Watchtower CAN do is speculate. My personal belief is that Jesus was speaking of the heavenly resurrection and not an earthly one. Your scenario of Adam and Eve doesn't make sense...simply because it seems they would have HAD to sin in order to feel "lustful" and bear children. Therefore, that makes Jehovah an unloving god who set them up for failure. He told them to "fill the earth and subdue it", yet if they didn't have sexual desires before being ousted from the Garden of Eden, then he was COUNTING on their failure in order for them to accomplish the task he set before them. Thus, we were never MEANT to be perfect, and therefore Paradise was not part of god's original plan, nor is the "Issue of Sovereignty" the REAL issue at play. So, when you consider Watchtower theology against your scenario, the two don't mesh.

  As for 1 Corinthians, well... To be honest, that reads just as you read it. So it speaks of a heavenly resurrection. There is no in-between. The last creatures who were claimed to have come from a combination of human and the supernatural...were Nephilim. And we all know what supposedly happened to them.

  Again, welcome... Stick around, there are lots of topics and brain-picking that go on here. I've learned quite a lot in my time here.
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  @djeggnog said

  by therevealer in

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  on the thread about the generation in one of the last entries:.

  i think you (and yes i realize that wasn't me) to be lacking in intellect, but please don't be offended, for i only mean this in a kind way.. @djeggnog.

  i can only say "right back at ya".

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  Morbidzbaby

  In other words, he called you an ignoramus and then didn't have the testicular fortitude to own it...instead saying he meant it "in a kind way". How do you call someone an idiot and still claim to be kind about it?

  Just another mindless Watchtower drone...not worth your time to even respond or wait for a response.
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  Do the R&F really know where the WT came from?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is eye opening!

  no wonder they want to keep the history of the wts a secret!!.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjcijm2cquk&feature.

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  Morbidzbaby

  I tried to run this info by my parents awhile back. I got into Beth Sarim, the pyramids, etc. The response was the typical "well that was back then. Jehovah refines our understanding". Neither of them could answer how Jesus picked the Bible Students and saw they were the only ones not doing what the rest of the world was doing when they WERE doing the same things the rest of the world was! Christmas, birthdays, smoking, getting involved in political issues... How could they have been chosen amongst everyone else who was doing the same damn thing?

  My mom even went so far as to say that clearly "This Rutherford wasn't working under the direction of Holy Spirit, whoever he was". Okay...let me get this straight...you've been a JW since the friggin' 70's, you have all these old books and EVIDENCE in your personal library, you've watched every single piece of trash video or DVD put out by the Watchtower...and you don't know who the hell RUTHERFORD is????

  The mind boggles...it truly does...
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  Pioneers Bearing No Fruit

  by TOTH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my father in law's sow has been a pioneer for what...twenty plus years now?

  she has yet to see any of her studies progress to baptism.

  i know this is an excellent thing but to jw's you would think it would be tragic.

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  Gayle~ I believe there are certain months set aside (usually during Memorial time or when there's a new "campaign") when the aux hours get reduced to 30.
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  Remarrying, then paradise =problem?

  by Inisc in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a question i always wondered about and never got an answer to.. its also another reason why i'm finding it harder to believe in an 'afterlife'.. th idea that humans can live forever, now seems so scientificly impossible.. so i wanted to ask all the great minds on here,.

  if someone's spouse dies, and then they remarry,then armageddon comes and goes then the deceased is resurrected,.

  how,is that ever gonna work?

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  Morbidzbaby

  From what I recall, the understanding is that since the "former things will not be called to mind", the resurrected person might recall being married to their spouse, but they won't be hurt seeing them with someone else. They'll see them as a brother or sister, and harbor no romantic feelings for them. Other things I've heard is that "Jehovah is going to give us our heart's desire", so therefore, if your desire is to live with your spouse in paradise and wait until they're re-animated, Jehovah will allow you to be with them...whether the relationship includes sex or not is written in those "new scrolls". I've also heard that Jehovah will let women who have miscarried or had a stillborn baby (neither having taken the first "breath of life") have that very baby again (which, I think is utter BS).

  I know a sister whose husband died about 18 years ago. She's raised her daughter alone (who was very young at the time of her dad's death), and she refuses to remarry... She hopes to be reunited and married to him when he is resurrected. I shake my head...because I know she won't be...and that she basically threw away her chance to find love again and not be lonely. And, trust, she IS lonely...She's basically ignored in the congregation. Her daughter got sick of the BS, got herself a boyfriend, and left the org.
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  Pioneers Bearing No Fruit

  by TOTH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my father in law's sow has been a pioneer for what...twenty plus years now?

  she has yet to see any of her studies progress to baptism.

  i know this is an excellent thing but to jw's you would think it would be tragic.

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  Morbidzbaby

  LOL "miscreant"... I love that word...

  Tats are awesome... Can't wait until this baby comes so I can start getting some ink!

  Okay...back to your regularly scheduled thread...
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  Pioneers Bearing No Fruit

  by TOTH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my father in law's sow has been a pioneer for what...twenty plus years now?

  she has yet to see any of her studies progress to baptism.

  i know this is an excellent thing but to jw's you would think it would be tragic.

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  Morbidzbaby

  My mother has pioneered for a few years now... She's had ONE person brought to baptism, but it kind of doesn't count because this person was associated with the org years ago. It's not like she was "fresh meat" found at the door. Years ago, my mom brought one other person to baptism, and she was DF'ed soon after...never went back.

  I know of an elderette who ALWAYS has multiple studies going on, but she doesn't find these poor suckers in the door-to-door... She finds these unsuspecting twits everywhere she goes...she just doesn't SHUT UP about the JW's. But, I've seen several of the people she's brought to baptism fade and leave because once they make that step, she drops them like a hot potato and concentrates on the next notch in her belt.
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  At last....I made the connection with an old friend...who is a practising Pagan

  by Pams girl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  im the nervy, anxious type.

  i suffer with panic attacks and sometimes my agoraphobia cripples me.

  the organisation effectively isolated me fo a long time.

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  That's so wonderful, Paula!! I'm so happy for you!! I hope this is the first step in regaining your "old life" and, in turn, yourself!
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  No longer a JW-g/f

  by JW-g/f in

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  2. friends

  its been a long story and it did not start by intention.. i am not from an english speaking country and 10 years ago i was between two jobs and trying to improve my english.

  went to chatroom and met him.

  he was funny, careless, clever.

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  It seems to me that you are correct in thinking that although he is inactive, he is not "out". It's really better this way for you both. He will not allow questioning of his beliefs, or even discussion of them...What kind of life would that be for you, a person who has a naturally curious and inquisitive mind? It would be stifling! I've been there...I was married to a JW who had quite a controlling personality when it came to the cult. I was forced out door-to-door, wasn't allowed to question his "authority" or "headship". I had to sneak to go to an R-rated movie and then throw the ticket in the trash so I wouldn't get into trouble. I doubt that's the kind of life you or anyone else would want.

  10 years is a long time to carry on an affair, even one online. Especially if you are both still with your spouses. I carried on one for 3 months and it drove me nearly insane. The biggest lesson I learned: If you're unhappy in your marriage and neither of you is willing to fix it, it's time to move on. Don't look elsewhere before you've put your marriage into the graveyard. Staying together for the kids is utter BS. They know you don't like each other, trust me. Staying together and having someone on the side without your spouse knowing is even worse...especially when they find out. Take it from someone who has been there.
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  Memorial Attendance – Need an Advice Please

  by Yan Bibiyan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  quick background info i am an ubm, studied somewhat, never baptized.

  mrs. bibyan is a successful fader her last kh attendance was the special talk after last years memorial.

  no grief from the local congo for missing; the elderette she was friends with would call or stop by once in a while, but no harassment.. the other day, mrs. tells me out of the blue she wants to go to the memorial.

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  Morbidzbaby

  It seems as if zid might be on to something... Your wife seems to be out in some aspects, but perhaps she feels that the WT way of observing the Memorial is the closest thing to what Jesus wanted. Personally, I would try to draw her out and ask her to tell you WHY she feels she wants to go. Ask what her motivating factor is. She's your wife, after all...she should be able to tell you. Don't ask with any malice, but genuine curiosity (hell, I'd be curious as to why someone who thinks celebrating holidays and various other DFing offenses are okay would be inclined to go back to the KH!). Use her answer as a springboard to having an open conversation about it. If her reason is, in fact, that she thinks that this is how Jesus wants his death to be celebrated, show her information that says the contrary. There are quite a few threads here that discuss the Memorial and how it's actually a slap in the face to Jesus... This might help her more than putting up a stink or trying to show her other things beforehand. This might be what she needs in order to be mentally freed.