hello to you all!.
i am a finnish-swedish guy, 32 in a few days (terrible) and i am here to look for some fun and good friends, especially from eastern europe and the cis, but anyone is welcome.. see there is a mix of jw and non-jw here, an interesting mix, perhaps :).
If you change your mind and want to leave, just leave and don't tell anyone. They don't like it when you tell them you're leaving. No one believes you anyways.
Hahahaha!
Welcome aboard.
(I can't have an avatar and neither can you. So I use this til I get one. I suggest you use the slug. No one else has claimed it yet.)
when i left the org.
the blood issue wasn't an issue for me.
my best friend was on the blood committee for years and i could see many cases where either blood wouldn't have saved the person anyways (like when a person is in a serious car accident and their liver is in pieces), or blood actually killed the person and/or hindered recovery.. then my little nephew got leukemia.
Oh, Baba Yaga!!
You must be 257 years old.
when i left the org.
the blood issue wasn't an issue for me.
my best friend was on the blood committee for years and i could see many cases where either blood wouldn't have saved the person anyways (like when a person is in a serious car accident and their liver is in pieces), or blood actually killed the person and/or hindered recovery.. then my little nephew got leukemia.
Aligot- Yes, those are things that worry me, too. It seems there is soooo much to consider.
when i left the org.
the blood issue wasn't an issue for me.
my best friend was on the blood committee for years and i could see many cases where either blood wouldn't have saved the person anyways (like when a person is in a serious car accident and their liver is in pieces), or blood actually killed the person and/or hindered recovery.. then my little nephew got leukemia.
Wow,
Thank-you so much, TD and Scully. I really appreciate the time and effort you put into your responses. I definately have lots more to think about and consider on this.
Again, very much appreciated, everybody!!
when i left the org.
the blood issue wasn't an issue for me.
my best friend was on the blood committee for years and i could see many cases where either blood wouldn't have saved the person anyways (like when a person is in a serious car accident and their liver is in pieces), or blood actually killed the person and/or hindered recovery.. then my little nephew got leukemia.
Hi Carla - Yes, I've followed Mary's story, soooo sad. It's one of the things that has made me start thinking more about all this.
OTWO - Long before I left, I was coming to the conclusion these people were not directed by Holy Spirit. The first step was not believing the elders were appointed by HS. Yes, you are right, that is the main issue to alot of these debates, isn't it?
Hi, Minimus! - No matter how serious your posts are, your avatar always makes me smile!
when i left the org.
the blood issue wasn't an issue for me.
my best friend was on the blood committee for years and i could see many cases where either blood wouldn't have saved the person anyways (like when a person is in a serious car accident and their liver is in pieces), or blood actually killed the person and/or hindered recovery.. then my little nephew got leukemia.
Thanks everyone, all good thoughts and suggestions!!
I thought that I HAD read up on it. As I said, my best freind wwas on the blood committee and we discusssed it in great length. I see now that I really only studied the WT "suggested reading list" on this.
And you're right, Shamus - it's a belief I grew up with, so it feels comfortable for me.
I think also, there's been so many advances in medicine that it's haard to keep up with it all. Troubled Mind - you make a good point. Perhaps each case needs to be looked at individually.
Incidentally, although my brother and sister-in-law conferred with the blood committee about giving their son fractions, they were EXPRESSLY told to NOT tell anyone what they had done, in case some were stumbled. I'm so sick and tired of hearing that word.....
Someone gave me an illustration about why the JW's allow fractions now: A cake is only a cake when all the ingredients are put together. Flour by itself or sugar by itself doesn't make a cake. Same with blood, it's only when all the compnents are together that it becomes blood. That made sense to me, until I started to think, "But you still have to start with whole blood to get the fractions. So are the JW's against blood or not?" None of their reasonings are making any sense to me now.
when i left the org.
the blood issue wasn't an issue for me.
my best friend was on the blood committee for years and i could see many cases where either blood wouldn't have saved the person anyways (like when a person is in a serious car accident and their liver is in pieces), or blood actually killed the person and/or hindered recovery.. then my little nephew got leukemia.
When I left the Org. the blood issue wasn't an issue for me. My best friend was on the blood committee for years and I could see many cases where either blood wouldn't have saved the person anyways (like when a person is in a serious car accident and their liver is in pieces), or blood actually killed the person and/or hindered recovery.
Then my little nephew got leukemia. He was given fractions and survived. All the other children on the ward with the same condition who were given whole blood, died. His survival was attributed to him getting ONLY what he needed from the blood, with no blood components that would interfere with his recovery. But if had he been born 10-15 years earlier, he would have been given nothing and certainly would have died.
Years before this, though, my grandfather died and I believe it was a blood transfusion that killed him. He had fallen and broken his leg, had to have surgery on it. He was mid-70's and an insulin dependant diabetic. He was not a JW. The doctor wanted to give him a blood transfusion to "pink him up". Those were her exact words. He agreed to it and immediately felt nauseous after getting blood. He couldn't really sit up, so when he vomited, he aspirated some into his lungs and it all went downhill from there. After he died, the surgeon who operated on his leg, said the leg was healing fine.
After reading some of the info and experiences here, I'm not sure how I feel about this now.
Is blood good or bad? Right or wrong?
i got no sleep at all last night... this was mostly because i was dancing on tabletops in nightclubs.
and also because i'd had way too much to drink, but mostly because i was having a great time!!
i got home around the time that everyone else was getting up.. it was soooo good!
Last night, you should have drank a glass of water for every alcoholic beverage you drank.
Today: Drink lots of water, eat some protein.
This afternoon: Drink one glass of whatever you were drinking the night before and go have a nap.
Tomorrow: Don't go to the meeting.
in my youth i never once found that this long running seris of articles by the borg ever addressed what i really wanted to know, nor did they really offer any answers to the questions they posed themselves in the articles.
it was normaly " should i do this thing that is fun and normal?
" answer "no, you should go on the ministry more and tell the elders about your youthfull desires so that they can punish you ( lovingly(!)".
Haha!
This reminds me of a BS (bookstudy) conductor we had. He would drone on for 15-20 mins after each BS, talking about parts coming up on the meeting, an article in the new Kingdom Ministry.....whatever....he had a captive audience and relished it.
When my daughter was about 3, she had had enough of it I guess (Really, we all had....) and she threw herself back in her chair and loudly said, "WHEN is he gonna stop talking??????"
Those are the questions real young people ask!!!
I remember that I DIDN'T shush her.....
i've been listening to this song all day... 'raise the alarm' by the living end.
kind of an atheists/agnostics anthem but when you look at the lyrics, it rings a sentiment that a lot of us felt when we decided to leave that mind controlling cult that most of us here had the unfortunate experience to become involved with.
especially my favourite lines which i titled this thread with.... 'but i'd rather risk my fate, than to lose my faith'.... raise the alarm - the living end.
For some reason, the sound doesn't come through on my computer.
But, ya, I like the lyrics, too.
