a long time ago, the watchtower used to teach that the archangel michael is the antichrist.
does anyone here know in which watchtower edition they printed this information before changing michael to jesus christ?.
thanx a mil!.
Abaddon,
You're a self-proclaimed "supernatural entity" that no doubt existed for the past 6000 years or longer, right? Have you in all your "supernatural" knowledge never learned to spell simple words such as: "scorpian", "mushrroms" and "Switerland"?
I guess that comes from using Spell-Check 6.66, right?
I'll much rather take my chances with John then, thank you. For all the others who gave their insights and opinions on the subject matter, I thank you kindly.
In Him,
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there was a story i used to tell a lot about a scientist who worked in the nuclear power industry.
this scientist had a job of public relations and would go around to different groups around the country.
he was afraid to fly anywhere though, so the company provided him a chauffer to take him from city to city.. somewhere in the course of giving the same speech over and over again, the chauffer tells him: doc, ive heard you give this same speech now a couple of dozen times, and i have it memorized word for word.
Well, if you consider that through Christ you can step on scorpions and serpents, you can drink poisen and not die, you can overcome the devil and his horde of demons, you can be called a CHILD OF GOD, you become a Prince of all of creation (since Jesus is King over all of creation and we are his Children, that would make us princes and princesses) and many, MANY more... yeah, I'd think that it's best to stay exactly who you are. Why lose out on so many things by trying to be someone else?
Hope this helped somewhat ;)
In Him,
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suddenly i am hit with this overwhelming feeling that we are wrong and that there are logical explanations for all of the things that dont make sense.
aaaah.
this is awful.
Did I say "Proverbs" ??? heh!
My sincere apologies. I meant to say "Ecclesiastes 10:4"
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suddenly i am hit with this overwhelming feeling that we are wrong and that there are logical explanations for all of the things that dont make sense.
aaaah.
this is awful.
Satan comes and throws your whole world upside-down. Jesus comes and restores it... if you allow Him to...
Whenever you feel that things are going so hectic that you cannot handle it anymore, just turn to Him and the Written Word. Take a deep breath and become calm, as you meditate on His love for you expressed through the Word. "If a ruler's anger rises against you, do not leave your post: calmness can lay great errors to rest." - Proverbs 10:4
People can become so busy with the things of God, that they completely miss the God of things. Let the things of God go for a while, and focus on building a relationship with the God of things.
People going to Jesus should receive more than enough spiritual rest, but it's when you become involved with religion, that you become spiritually weary.
So when your world seems upside down and out of order, just turn to Jesus. (Turning to the JW organization will make you even MORE weary)
Remember: Jesus says more than 4 times in the Bible that if you ask in His name for ANYthing, you will receive it (John 15:7). Ask for spiritual rest, ask for calmness, ask for the Truth... He will provide you with what you need.
Sure, you could turn a blind eye... but remember that eternity is a very, VERY long time to be wrong...
In Him,
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hey i've been reading the magazine "should you believe in the trinity" - very well laid out and i know its been around for years.. i'm struggling with this whole issue and have looked at some of the quotes and they don't seem to match the actual quotes of the early church fathers.
mainly the one by tertullian which reads as follows from the magazine.
tertullian, who died about 230 c.e., taught the supremacy of god.
Obviously, because the JWs are anti-Trinity (and just about anti-ANYTHING Christian), all their material are against the Trinity. Because the Watchtower itself proves to be faulty in MANY ways, it's almost safe to assume that their views of the Trinity are flawed too.
(Although it's best to stick to Biblical evidence for the Trinity)
They try to disprove the Trinity by various methods:
1) They change their "bible" in key areas that prove the Deity of Jesus
2) They over-focus on the non-human part of Jesus, asking questions such as "If Jesus were God, did he pray to himself?" (understanding that Jesus was fully human too, refutes their reasoning)
3) They try to "prove" that the Holy Spirit is not a person, but contradict themselves in their own "bible" by calling the Holy Spirit both "it" and "he"
The list goes on...
In order to come to a better understanding of the Trinity, don't just read the material refuting it, read BOTH sides first.
http://www.carm.org has some great explanations on the Trinity and the Deity of Christ, as well as two audio files regarding the Trinity that you could listen to using Windows Media Player or even Winamp. ( http://www.carm.org/audio.htm)
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/trin01.html also has an extensive "Trinity" section.
But as libra_spirit said, we as finite beings will NEVER fully grasp the whole concept of an infinite God. We will be with Him for an eternity and ALWAYS see and experience new qualities and aspects of Him that we have not seen before.
Wanna know about the Trinity? Read the Bible, NOT the Watchtower!
Even by just reading their own, perverted 'bible' (without a guided tour from the Watchtower literature) one can reach the conclusion of a Trinity. (Strange how someone JUST reading the Bible alone will NEVER link the archangel Michael to Jesus... you need their over-complicated excuses with the scriptures to reach some form of understanding of their arguments)
"and NO ONE can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit" - 1 Corinthians 12:3 (Meditate on this scripture and its meaning)
So obviously one needs the Holy Spirit to acknowledge Jesus as God (and mean it!). Pray thus, that the Lord will send you the Holy Spirit (who testifies and glorifies Jesus) to teach you about the REAL Jesus from the Scriptures. Then READ the scriptures via the Holy Spirit, and you will notice the Trinity leaping at you from just about every passage.
No longer will Isaiah 42:8 and John 17:5, or Isaiah 43:11 and Acts 4:10-12 contradict each other, but become a harmony toward a better (if only slightly better) understanding of who God is and how limitless His love for you is...
Hope this helped, if only somewhat...
In Him,
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have a look on the picture in wt 1. january '97.. .
this is the entire page.
below is a zoom on the two men dealing magazines in the middle.. .
Hey,
I don't know if this could be seen as "porn", but have a look at page 94 of their little red book called "You can live forever in paradise on earth". See the spirit in the background flying up toward the sky?
(The one in the foreground looking down is obviously male)
Do you see the spirit's...erm...breast?
I don't go looking for porn in their pics, but this one kinda jumped out at me a few months ago. I just wrote it off with a shrug. I still do.
In Him,
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does anyone here have access to the december 1879 (keep in mind the 18, and not 19) issue of watchtower magazine?
if so, please re-type page 55 for the group.
also, in addition to this, is there anybody out there that could re-type and paste page 188 of the book "the finished mystery"?.
Hi again!
Does anyone here have access to the December 1879 (keep in mind the 18, and not 19) issue of Watchtower Magazine? If so, PLEASE re-type page 55 for the group. Also, in addition to this, is there anybody out there that could re-type and paste Page 188 of the book "The Finished Mystery"?
I would very much like to compare the two writings to each other and compare them to what the JWs believe about Jesus today.
Thanx!!
In Him,
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a long time ago, the watchtower used to teach that the archangel michael is the antichrist.
does anyone here know in which watchtower edition they printed this information before changing michael to jesus christ?.
thanx a mil!.
LoL! Thanx a mil for all your replies. You've really managed to shed some light onto the matter for me.
In Him,
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a long time ago, the watchtower used to teach that the archangel michael is the antichrist.
does anyone here know in which watchtower edition they printed this information before changing michael to jesus christ?.
thanx a mil!.
Hi there,
A long time ago, the Watchtower used to teach that the archangel Michael is the antichrist. Does anyone here know in which Watchtower edition they printed this information before changing Michael to Jesus Christ?
Thanx a mil!
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