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  She displayed a literature cart in front of my house: That does it for me!

  by Tempest in a Teacup in

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  is this something they've asked them to do?

  cart displays in front of their homes?

  my mom is only in her mid 60s so i'm quite sure this is not an issue of mental illness.. the only illness she's suffering from is boredom since she's refused to work for years now.

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  Simon said: Then you make the rules. Kick the cart out, if she doesn't like it kick her out.

  You would be well within your rights to mandate no cult literature be brought to your house.

  Our Mom moved into my brother's house for a couple of years. He told her no preaching to his kids. He did allow her to have a Bible study with some old woman who was almost blind and still driving (she was a hazard on the roads as I followed her one day going to my brother's house... holy cow!).

  But it was strictly no preaching or discussing their religious crap with him or his family. Way to go Bro!
  
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  How long before The Watchtower goes bankrupt and vanishes?

  by VM44 in

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  how long before the watchtower goes bankrupt and goes away?.

  does anyone know how the watchtower is doing financially?.

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  I am my Father's POA (Power of Attorney). Over 5 years ago, I took over my Dad's finances. He had been giving the Borg tens of thousands of dollars every year! (and nothing to his grand kids btw).
  

  ALL of that came to a screeching halt when I took over. Botchtower has received nothing from him since that time. If more and more older ones who were giving substantial donations are no longer doing this, it must be taking a toll on their financial situation. Add in the lawsuits and the recruitment from poorer countries and the money just isn't there any longer.

  I suspect their financial models have been somewhat irresponsible as well. When you think the end of the world is coming imminently, why would you need to be frugal?

  It all adds up to financial downfall.

  But if this is God's organization, why isn't he ensuring their financial well being? And isn't money the root of all evil? Just one more thing that made me wonder about the whole money/religion thing (back then they used to charge a subscription fee for the ragazines).
  
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

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  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  NASA has so far discovered 12 other planets besides Earth in the habitable zone of stars within the Universe. They say there are many more and I'd agree based on the numbers of estimated stars, solar systems, and galaxies out there. This means that, so far as we know, at least 12 other planets besides ours quite possibly contain life.
  

  How many of these planets actually have Christians on them? I'd wager none, zero, nada, bupkis.
  
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  What were you never going to do in "This system" But did it?

  by karter in

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  finish school.. finish my apprenticeship (why are you doing that brother karter you will never finish it in this system).. buy a house.. pay the house off.. karter..

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  Finish high school.

  Have a career.

  Grow old.
  
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  JWs in denial, so sad

  by Simon in

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  i had a couple of jw sisters call at my door today.. they started with the bizarre "can we read you a scripture" and read about "death being no more" and asked what i thought of that.. i said it sounded like a mix of disney and dumb.. they then launched into how god was going to put an end to death and wasn't that wonderful?.

  i said it would have been more wonderful if he'd not created death in the first place.. they thought man created death by disobeying so i questioned why god couldn't have just forgiven them.

  apparently "because he loves us" is supposed to be a satisfactory answer to why he kills us.. i asked how loving it was to kill hundreds of thousands of children in tsunami's, disease and so on.. at this point, they gave up on the 'god is love' and switched to the bible being true no matter what because it was an old book and moses had written the first chapter (says the book).. when i suggested it really wasn't that old and that most of the bible myths were copies of older stories from before it was written they questioned if i studied the bible and theology.. then i told them i was brought up as a jw so knew it was all crap.. now it was game on, they immediately switched to play defence questioning why i'd left (and i think they'd already taken a step back away from "the evil" obviously emanating from me).. not much time to say much before they cut and run so i told them i'd left because i found out it was all based on lies and that the watchtower was corrupt and covered up things like child abuse.. oh no, you're thinking of the catholics one of them said (some disdain in how she said "catholics" as though "we're so much better than them").. "well, i challenge you to do a search for the australian royal commission and you'll see the testimony the watchtower leaders gave and the damning evidence that they covered up abuse and reported none of it to the police.".

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  They must dread knocking on doors like yours Simon. Well done!
  
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  "Can we question leadership?" Check out the Morman answer....

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  http://stakepresident.blogspot.com.au/2011/08/can-members-question-church-doctrine.html.

  how interesting!

  see a similarity?.

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  The Mormon religion was founded by a fraudster. That's really all one needs to know. Runaway!
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  The silent crises. Why people are leaving the Mormon church.

  by joe134cd in

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  i was just watching this on you tube.

  https://youtu.be/zaoqrb6r6gi.

  and although talking about the mormon church i think in principle it well describes thejws.

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  Why does anyone leave their religion? Because lies veiled as 'truth' and hatred veiled as love don't work.
  
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  Beyond the Kingdom Hall.

  by The Rebel in

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  the religoios lessons themselfs are not missed, they were actually quite dull, and i realize i learnt nothing of value from them.

  instead a quite evening at home playing with my boy is more endearing.. yes my life has moved on, i occassionaly see members of my former congregation in shopping centers, or they are putting the kids in to the back of the car and inside i believe most of them have bottled it, they prefer the comfort to the " truth" who am i to expose the can of worms.. many of course can blame parents or grandparents for having grown up as outcasts in school and i hope if they do leave like me they hold no resentment.

  indoctrination is a terrible thing, and even false prophecy, royal commissions, and proof that many of the elders in the congregation are complete and utter shits won't change them.

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  Wait until you go beyond Earth, beyond our solar system.

  So far, we have discovered 12 other planets in the habitable zone of stars in the Universe. There are probably many, many more. If life has evolved on any one of these planets, how many of them do you think have Christians on them?
  
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  Quick question...

  by Vidiot in

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  ...why the f**k do i so often see banner ads for "jehovah's witness dating" here?

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  Vidiot said: why the f**k do I so often see banner ads for "Jehovah's Witness Dating" here?
  

  Wow... I was thinking the exact same thing.
  
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  Today's Text - Draw Close To God... (BUT HOW???)

  by Divergent in

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  here's where i stand at the moment: i neither categorize myself as a theist, atheist, or agnostic.

  i'm a freethinker and do not have a specific belief at the moment, unless something comes along which is 100% conclusive & convincing.

  which brings us to tackling the elephant in the room, something that today's text has failed to do:.

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  Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." – KJV
  

  Proverbs 3:11-12: “The Lord punishes everyone He loves. He whips every … [person] He receives.” – NLV.

  Matthew 10:35: “For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—“ (NIV)

  I have zero interest in any god who does this crap.