Posts by androb31

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So...Assuming God exists, if he were on trial and you were the prosecutor, how would you present your case?

by androb31 in

feel free to skip the intro down to the actual purpose of the thread lol!!.

i'm a born in, 32 years in and almost 6 out.

i've been out of the jw's since october of 2008. i came out due to a variety of factors, blood, historical roots, false teachings etc... my older sister helped me out back in 2008 and i subsequently helped my brother exit and the 3 of us became "born again" christians.. i've been mostly lurking but occasionally posting on jwn for around 5 years.

androb31

Cofty:

Good questions. I'm going to think about those for the night. My shift is done but I will be back first thing tomorrow. 7am Colorado time anyway, MST lol. Have a good one

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So...Assuming God exists, if he were on trial and you were the prosecutor, how would you present your case?

by androb31 in

feel free to skip the intro down to the actual purpose of the thread lol!!.

i'm a born in, 32 years in and almost 6 out.

i've been out of the jw's since october of 2008. i came out due to a variety of factors, blood, historical roots, false teachings etc... my older sister helped me out back in 2008 and i subsequently helped my brother exit and the 3 of us became "born again" christians.. i've been mostly lurking but occasionally posting on jwn for around 5 years.

androb31

Cofty: How about infanticide...?

That is very applicable and convincing, I apoligize I didn't actually read the entire thread so forgive me if this has been posed on there. I will read it thru tomorrow, but just to play the devil's advocate for a second. If I were to ask a died in the wool Christian or a Theologian about that (many, not all) they would likely respond with the "you don't know how evil the nations were at the time", god didn't want the evil to spread, besides he gave us life and he can take it if he wants to", or the "satan had them so corrupted, was creating nephilim, perversion", it was a mercy killing type response..

Not that I think that explanation makes it ok, I used to swallow that type of explanation hook, line and sinker but I'm starting to think more for myself . I still get a lot of that old programmed stuff coming up acting as thought stoppers. Would like to be able to begin to weigh everything objectively and not based on programmed fears. That is basically the purpose of my post.

I guess I'm looking for different points of view on the biblical contradictions, for or against god.

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So...Assuming God exists, if he were on trial and you were the prosecutor, how would you present your case?

by androb31 in

feel free to skip the intro down to the actual purpose of the thread lol!!.

i'm a born in, 32 years in and almost 6 out.

i've been out of the jw's since october of 2008. i came out due to a variety of factors, blood, historical roots, false teachings etc... my older sister helped me out back in 2008 and i subsequently helped my brother exit and the 3 of us became "born again" christians.. i've been mostly lurking but occasionally posting on jwn for around 5 years.

androb31

Cofty:

Thanks for the response. I have actually read the thread where your former pastor tried to win you back and you brought up the Natural evil subject. That was definitely a notch in the "against belief in god" in my for/against faith, belief in god search.

I still seem to revert back to a fear based response that maybe the bible is true and I don't want to end up on the wrong side when it all comes down to it.

I see a lot of contradictions in the bible yet I still see some things that make me wonder. Such as the rebirth of Israel as one for instance.

I will be away from the internet here in a few but will be back on tomorrow just so it doesn't seem like a hit and run.

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So...Assuming God exists, if he were on trial and you were the prosecutor, how would you present your case?

by androb31 in

feel free to skip the intro down to the actual purpose of the thread lol!!.

i'm a born in, 32 years in and almost 6 out.

i've been out of the jw's since october of 2008. i came out due to a variety of factors, blood, historical roots, false teachings etc... my older sister helped me out back in 2008 and i subsequently helped my brother exit and the 3 of us became "born again" christians.. i've been mostly lurking but occasionally posting on jwn for around 5 years.

androb31

To Blondie:

Ok, Lets just say anywhere in the bible that god acted against his own standards or held his creation to standards he didn't stick to himself. I'm not really concerned about a doctrinal breakdown of this church vs. that church, or this Christian creed vs. that one. More like a "worldly" person would point out any hypocricy of a "Christian" who claims high moral ground.

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So...Assuming God exists, if he were on trial and you were the prosecutor, how would you present your case?

by androb31 in

feel free to skip the intro down to the actual purpose of the thread lol!!.

i'm a born in, 32 years in and almost 6 out.

i've been out of the jw's since october of 2008. i came out due to a variety of factors, blood, historical roots, false teachings etc... my older sister helped me out back in 2008 and i subsequently helped my brother exit and the 3 of us became "born again" christians.. i've been mostly lurking but occasionally posting on jwn for around 5 years.

androb31

Let's say from a Christian/biblical standpoint.

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So...Assuming God exists, if he were on trial and you were the prosecutor, how would you present your case?

by androb31 in

feel free to skip the intro down to the actual purpose of the thread lol!!.

i'm a born in, 32 years in and almost 6 out.

i've been out of the jw's since october of 2008. i came out due to a variety of factors, blood, historical roots, false teachings etc... my older sister helped me out back in 2008 and i subsequently helped my brother exit and the 3 of us became "born again" christians.. i've been mostly lurking but occasionally posting on jwn for around 5 years.

androb31

Feel free to skip the intro down to the actual purpose of the thread lol!!

A little about myself. I'm a born in, 32 years in and almost 6 out. I've been out of the JW's since October of 2008. I came out due to a variety of factors, blood, historical roots, false teachings etc... My Older sister helped me out back in 2008 and I subsequently helped my brother exit and the 3 of us became "born again" Christians.

I've been mostly lurking but occasionally posting on JWN for around 5 years. My sister is a very easy to talk to, understanding person who I can have a human conversation with and doesn't try to answer everything with a scriptural or a Christian platitude.. My brother is now a Pastor and a very fanatical Christian and is hard to talk to on a personal level due to everything being answerable by a scripture or cliche type biblical answer.

I'm struggling with my faith due to a whole slew of reasons but suffice it to say I'm tired of the worn out "pray and wait on god" answer to my doubts. I see many contradictions in the bible, such as......Love is not Jealous, but god is love and God is jealous, thou shall not kill/murder...but god can murder everyone in existance, do not covet...but god covets worship of other "gods" etc....

Basically I get the impression the typical fallback for most Christians if not GOD HIMSELF is MIGHT MAKES RIGHT or GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS, HOW DARE THE CLAY QUESTION THE POTTER, I DO WHAT I PLEASE and yadda yadda. It strikes me as a tyrant type attitude of either bow down to me or die by my hand, yet any christian I know would absolutely condemn Hitler w/ out a moments hesitation.

I want to have faith and I am in absolutely no position to make judgements against even the most wayword of people (as I have a seriously checkered background) or god if he is real. I have f#(&@) up more than anyone I know yet in spite of that I just don't understand the massive number of contradictions in scripture or any other god belief for that matter.

I want to know what is your best case for or against god and/or if god exists hypothetically speaking what is your case against him/her for or against having any devotion or contempt for him/her.

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Lot's last word to his wife

by bamse in

does anyone come after us?.

androb31

Well.....I guess me and the girls will drink your share of the wine. More for us, wink wink.

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Describe a Model Exemplary Jehovah's Witness

by minimus in

jw
friends

is it someone who doesn't drink?.

is it someone who avidly studies the bible and follows it to a tee?.

i think a model jw is simply a braindead folower..

androb31

Someone who tows the line and kisses the right asses. Or even better, someone who has the right friends in the right places (good ol boys) and keeps up a good double life.

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A MESSAGE to the Governing Body and others like them through human history

by Terry in

there is something all too familiar about it, something that sickens the stomach and reminds us how low and prejudiced evil minds can go.. those who divide humans up in order to weaken and conquer them will stop at nothing if not counterfeit reasoning to justify their evil.. .

the arguments made in the past and the arguments made in the present have a familiar ring to them and the false clanger is a note of warning!.

"if you give women the right to vote, you're just doubling the vote of their husband.".

androb31

I couldn't have said it better myself. Even if I tried!! That's beautiful... I wish they (the governing body clowns) could read it. And get the full meaning. Unfortunately they'd never see it as applying to themselves.

Song 31 "We're Jehovah's Witnesses" updated version.

by androb31 in

data dog's musical tribute thread had my creative juices flowing.

feel free to post any other updated versions of kingdom maladies out there lol?.

we are jehovah's witnesses remix.. men make gods of wood and stone.. but the fds they've not known.. they are gods son's head.. mediators they've often said.. other gods cannot compare.

androb31

Data Dog's musical tribute thread had my creative juices flowing. Feel free to post any other updated versions of Kingdom maladies out there LOL?

We are Jehovah's Witnesses remix.

Men make gods of wood and stone.

But the FDS they've not known.

They are gods son's head.

Mediators they've often said.

Other gods cannot compare

To the governing body's deceitful snare.

Jehovahs witnesses strive in vain.

The Governing Body's godship to maintain.

Chorus

We're Watchtower witnesses.

We speak out in fear of Dis-

Fellowshipping oh yes can't you see

Even when it's a false prophecy.....

Next verse

Proudly we declare God's name.

A thousand times a day, like a talisman, dang...

News about our new light

Gives us great delight

Others thus may come and see.

Our reject Jesus par-ty.

It' will be Nisan fourteen.

Nibble or sip and we'll get mean.

Chorus

We're Jehovah's Witnesses.

We knock on doors and no one listens to us.

Ours is the cult of false prophecy.

Reject our message and your house ours it will be.

Next verse

Witnessing and wasting time.

Keeps us busy and in line.

And it is annoying.

To the worldly swine.

Pardon me I know you're busy.

But a magazine I would like to give thee.

Change you're religion, why no never.

It's only your family ties we wish to sever.

Chorus

We need at least two witnesses.

Before our pedophiles we'll convict.

Ours is the borg of pure misery.

Why don't we leave, well you got me?