C. Atheist - I can understand those loosing faith in bible, but everything in existance, I can't believe was random.
Ah, but it is not random. It's not random at all, just as a fractal image is not random.
While the seed values may be random - it only takes a couple mathematical 'rules' to create very complex, repeating, and infinitely detailed shapes. Likewise, even if the initial distribution of molecules and types of molecules resulting from the big bang were completely random (which I would deem unlikely), immediately the 4 physical forces (gravity, electromagnetic, and the strong/weak nuclear forces) reigned in and sorted out the chaos. Gravity pulled the molecules into tiny clumps, tiny clumps became attracted to one another, etc. For a computer programmer, it only takes a few lines of code to roughly simulate the effect of gravity on a bunch of tiny particles, and see what happens.
Likewise, with nearly everything we see, we humans have found a naturalistic explanation for it - meaning we can find an explanation that requires nothing more than time and physical laws.
In a sense, my god is physics and mathematics - and unlike other gods, you can see my god in work every day. You can put him to the test, and he always proves true.
I see far too much evidence of intelligent design, and how all supposedly randomness, with intelligent thinking ability, we as humans can't duplicate.
There are also examples of poor design in nature. In the human eye for example, the nerves pass in front of the light-sensitive nerve endings, reducing light sensitivity, making the eye more susceptible to various disorders, and causing a blind spot where the optic nerve enters the eye. No human-designed camera sensor has or ever would be designed this way - it's an absolutely horrible idea.
Odds are, you only see intelligence in design because you are not looking critically or thinking in terms of actual engineering.
If life happened on its own, why can't we create it ourselves.
Whose to say we won't, eventually, or perhaps even soon. We're well on our way to being able to with research into nanotechnology.
My question, is your path from being a JW, to not believe in bible, then not even in God. What made your belief firm in this?
My disbelief began when I was a kid writing computer programs and studying fractals. Honestly when I was in school I was bothered by the fact that evolution made a lot more sense to me than creation. I saw it as a tidier explanation, resolving the "If because we are complex we require a creator, then God - who must be even more complex - requires one as well." paradox. It wasn't until I got into an argument with an atheist at around 24 years old that after days of debate I realized - he had a much stronger case than I did.
I went on to study the origin of the bible, and critically consider it's texts - and I ultimately decided that if God wanted to communicate with man, he certainly could have done a much better job in his dealings with man than the biblical God.
- Lime
