HintOfLime

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  Blame the designer and not the product: God and the lame Free Will argument

  by Terry in

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  this is the one thing nobody is ever able to explain to me!.

  if a genius designs something to operate in a specific way in order to obtain a precise outcome and it doesn't work---tell me again why we don't blame the genius designer/manufacturer??.

  oh--that free will maguffin!.

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  My argument regarding this tends to be:

  According to the bible, god created 3 "perfect humans" - Adam, Eve, and Jesus. Of those three, 2 of them 'failed' to meet "god's production standards". That's an functional to defective ratio of 1:3, or 66% defective.

  Furthermore, we know that many of the "perfect angels" also failed, though the bible does not give an exact ratio, it seems resonable to conclude that the number is again quite large.

  Now... if Intel was producing Core chips so that 66% of their chips failed coming off the line, Intel would be a *failure* in the chip manufacturing business, and would no-doubt go bankrupt. Most human creative endevors such as this like to see success ratios over 90%, and perferably in the 95-99% range. If mere humans can acheive 99.9% production yields - You would think that a intelligent god could create perfect creatures that were effective 100% of the time, rather than the majority of them being defective and needing to be destroyed. - Lime
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  On JWN .. are you a teacher or student ?

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  likely most poeple feel that they at times can and should be both , that is a teacher or a student.

  i know i have learned and gained much insight into many things here.. but most often.

  fail to make acknowledgement... not sure why i guess i hate for a person to feel i am flattering them or kissing up.

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  Are you having a bad day?

  Awww, it's all in forum fun. No hard fellings. :/ (Waiiiittt a second. You're not trolling me now....)

  - Lime
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  On JWN .. are you a teacher or student ?

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  likely most poeple feel that they at times can and should be both , that is a teacher or a student.

  i know i have learned and gained much insight into many things here.. but most often.

  fail to make acknowledgement... not sure why i guess i hate for a person to feel i am flattering them or kissing up.

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  I forget. Is Hint a guy? Now I forget what I was going to say. I shall call Hint He.

  Pffft! Everybody knows that gods have penises!

  - Lime

  PS: (*Jiggle* *jiggle*... Oh yeah.. come on.. that's powerbait right there... The orange kind too. Just try a nibble... It's yummy! :D)
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  On JWN .. are you a teacher or student ?

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  likely most poeple feel that they at times can and should be both , that is a teacher or a student.

  i know i have learned and gained much insight into many things here.. but most often.

  fail to make acknowledgement... not sure why i guess i hate for a person to feel i am flattering them or kissing up.

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  Awww.... an LOL? By the rules set by the Guild of Trollish Intent, I must now release and catch anew....

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1j7lyRnxVE

  - Lime
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  On JWN .. are you a teacher or student ?

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  1. jw
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  likely most poeple feel that they at times can and should be both , that is a teacher or a student.

  i know i have learned and gained much insight into many things here.. but most often.

  fail to make acknowledgement... not sure why i guess i hate for a person to feel i am flattering them or kissing up.

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  Score +1 for me on the "Trolls of JW.net thread." I hope I win at least 3 "Hee hee heeee!" points for this!

  "I'm sorry N.drew... but you just got trolled!"

  (Work with me here... it's the biggest new upcomming TV show, and I swear - the check is in the mail!)

  Now back to your regular scheduled programming....

  - Lime
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  On JWN .. are you a teacher or student ?

  by caliber in

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  likely most poeple feel that they at times can and should be both , that is a teacher or a student.

  i know i have learned and gained much insight into many things here.. but most often.

  fail to make acknowledgement... not sure why i guess i hate for a person to feel i am flattering them or kissing up.

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  Wait.. student or teacher? I thought this was a "JW/Creationist Zombie" VS "logic shotgun" site.

  "Teaching people" really? On the Internet? I played "hamburger bible helper" when I was a JW. It's much more fun pointing out that "hamburger bible helper" totally sucks. Aweful stuff, really.

  - Lime
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  "Oh say can you see?"

  by HintOfLime in

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  just a curious question.... how many ex-jw's here have yet to perform a pledge of alliegance or sing the national anthem?

  now that i think about it... after years of 'standing firm' and refusing to these things as a 'brainwashed babe' - even in my wiser years i haven't done them.. do you feel any reistance toward doing so?

  are you proud of your country?

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  Still, I think that nationalism or patriotism is just another form of worship,,, we are all part of the human race, and our nationality is nothing more than an accident of birth.

  That may be the point I'm looking for, personally. I stand for humans - faults and all. I stand for the evolved life on Earth - faults and all.

  I want to see Earth's lifeforms including humans succede. I'd like to see us move past shallow social differences and onto bigger, more challenging things. To truely conqure - to understand our environment - to use and appreciate it to our full advantage instead of abusing and destroying it. To escape our current limitations, and face the next challenge.

  Thanks talesin - I think my position is a bit clearer to me now.

  - Lime
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  1914 and Leap Years

  by KingDavidwasframed in

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  Nobody tell OBVES...

  12 + 59 = 48

  35 + 14400 = 666

  666 + 48 = 2012!!!!

  - Lime
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  "Oh say can you see?"

  by HintOfLime in

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  just a curious question.... how many ex-jw's here have yet to perform a pledge of alliegance or sing the national anthem?

  now that i think about it... after years of 'standing firm' and refusing to these things as a 'brainwashed babe' - even in my wiser years i haven't done them.. do you feel any reistance toward doing so?

  are you proud of your country?

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  Just a curious question...

  How many ex-JW's here have yet to perform a pledge of alliegance or sing the national anthem? Now that I think about it... after years of 'standing firm' and refusing to these things as a 'brainwashed babe' - even in my wiser years I haven't done them.

  Do you feel any reistance toward doing so? Are you proud of your country? Or do you still 'stand in respect' for such things?

  I'm just kind of curious... because even after 5 years, I have yet to be in a situation where it really came up (heh, I don't go to any ball games...). A recent TV show got me thinking about it though - and it is one of the few areas where I found a few of the old anti-social WT cobwebs in the attic.

  - Lime
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  Wheres the safest place on earth to run to!!!

  by Star tiger in

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  with all the bad things happening now where would be the safest place to be, for myself and and famiy i would expect that would be somewhere in the far east high above the food plain, people there also have much more repect for human life and do not leave their elders to die alone without any respect and have a much nicer famiy society and seem to be much more organised as to their affairs.. .

  star tiger.

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  Antartica.... though I hear it's cold this time of year, so pack warm.

  - Lime