Posts by HintOfLime

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The Value of Pi, The Mysteries of Pi and e and the Bible.

by Chalam in

pi and the bible has been the subject of debate before.

however, i had not seen this information which clear up the 1 kings 7:23 issue before so i am posting here.

also, the two constants, pi and e encoded in the first verse of the ot and nt respectively, see second article.. full details in the url at the start of each topic.. the value of pi.

HintOfLime

However, IMHO our own scientific "answers" seem to bring more questions than they answer. If our science could answer every question then it would indeed be God, but I don't perceive that it will happen.

The same could be said of the bible, of course, except that the bible doesn't change, so the questions it raised never get any answers.

I guess it's a matter of disposition. If you're like the 5 year old kid that asks a quesiton "Why?" and immediately follows that up with another question 'Why?' question.. and then another and another forever, then science rules. No human mind can comprehend all the complexities of the universe.

If you're a 5 year old who asks a "Why?" question, gets an answer, and doesn't feel like asking any more quesitons.. then I guess science sucks.

I personally think we should keep asking questions. At least as a civilization. I guess if it's too much information, or too complex for some people (not to belittle.. I don't ask a lot of quantum mechanics questions personally.. way too complex), that's fine. Some people just need a simple model of the universe to stick in there head.. something they don't have to keep updating to the latest version. Parents that are interested in their kids, businessmen and women who need to concentrate on their careers, etc.

I think as a civilization though, we have to keep asking the 'why' questions. Sometimes we learn amazing things, and the whole of civilization grows because of it.

- Lime

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The Value of Pi, The Mysteries of Pi and e and the Bible.

by Chalam in

pi and the bible has been the subject of debate before.

however, i had not seen this information which clear up the 1 kings 7:23 issue before so i am posting here.

also, the two constants, pi and e encoded in the first verse of the ot and nt respectively, see second article.. full details in the url at the start of each topic.. the value of pi.

HintOfLime

I think its quite interesting to read that statement on a computerscreen and think of how many centuries of science went into making THAT possible. If Big G wanted us to believe in the bible, why put in subtle clues that required all kinds of dodgy nonsense manipulations? Why not just write: The first 8 digits of the one millionth prime is: ...., and that would prove it once and for all.

Obviously, such a thing wouldn't have value until computers were invented.. but it wouldn't take more than a few sets of numbers like you suggest to provide evidence for each technological era (which God should know, right?)

And that's a 'dumb' test humans can think up in a few minutes. If God wanted there to be no doubt he existed and had a purpose for us.. he would leave no room for doubt. My only conclusion is that if there is a God, he wants us to doubt. He would know perfectly well that the fossil record, archeological record, and DNA (moreless all verifiable evidence) would lead us to conclusions quite different from the biblical story of creation.

- Lime

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The Value of Pi, The Mysteries of Pi and e and the Bible.

by Chalam in

pi and the bible has been the subject of debate before.

however, i had not seen this information which clear up the 1 kings 7:23 issue before so i am posting here.

also, the two constants, pi and e encoded in the first verse of the ot and nt respectively, see second article.. full details in the url at the start of each topic.. the value of pi.

HintOfLime

If we go this route of reasoning, where did this universe come from?

Where did God come from? If God can 'just exist', so can the universe. (Of course, the universe is simpler than God, and we KNOW it exists.)

IMHO science can keep "answering" questions but quite often it changes its mind or disagrees with itself and it never seems to answer the big questions.

How do you learn? Do you learn calculus and then worry about mastering arithmatic? No. You tart small and build your way up. In science we learn by answering little questions, and building our way up. But we ARE answering questions, and we're making sure we get the right answers.

Faith on the other hand does the opposite. It tries to answer the big questions.. but then it doesn't know how to answer the little questions (or answers those wrong). If it can't answer simple questions correctly, why should I assume it got the big questions right?

- Lime

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so they never claimed to be an inspired prophet?

by ninja in

*** si p. 9 all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial ***.

line of communication.

16 someone may ask, what has been the means of communication?

HintOfLime

** w86 3/15 p. 19 pars. 14-15 Allow No Place for the Devil! ***Finally, we might consider what the Society has published in the past on chronology. Some opposers claim that Jehovah’s Witnesses are false prophets. These opponents say that dates have been set, but nothing has happened. Again we ask, What is the motive of these critics? Are they encouraging wakefulness on the part of God’s people, or are they, rather, trying to justify themselves for falling back into sleepy inactivity? (1 Thessalonians 5:4-9) More importantly, what will you do if you hear such criticism?

I just love the blatant red herring right off the bat that the Watchtower employs. The motivations of the critic do not change the fact that the watchtower has specifically and authoratatively stated that armegeddon will come at specific times, and every time they have been wrong.

They then twist the red herring into more mind control. What will you do if you hear such criticism? Lets forget about the completely valid question just raised, and let's talk about how you shouldn't be asking these questions, got it?

Ok, have you forgotten the question yet? Good.

The evidence is clear that Jehovah has used and is continuing to use his one organization, with "the faithful and discreet slave" taking the lead.

Good little lemming. See, we're not false prophets at all. We say there is clear evidence, and that's good enough for you.

- Lime

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The Value of Pi, The Mysteries of Pi and e and the Bible.

by Chalam in

pi and the bible has been the subject of debate before.

however, i had not seen this information which clear up the 1 kings 7:23 issue before so i am posting here.

also, the two constants, pi and e encoded in the first verse of the ot and nt respectively, see second article.. full details in the url at the start of each topic.. the value of pi.

HintOfLime

What is important to me is that I believe in the Creator, not coincidence.
- Chalem

So of the ~400 million sperm competing for your mother's egg.. you believe that God hand picked the exact sperm that bore you?

If not, you're life is already an outstanding coincidence. Of course, obviously there was a good chance one of those sperm would win.. but that you are here is still statistically very unlikely.

Like a mothers womb, all the molecules and materials for life are all right here in the universe. With a universe full of all sorts of materials bouncing off of eachother for 13.5 billion years, while life as we know it is likely a coincidence, life itself may just be bound to happen many different ways. In that case, life isn't a coincidence. Of course, its difficult to say with a sample size of 1.

- Lime

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I got my hands on the new "Wonders of Creation" DVD release

by Megachusen in

jw
friends

my head is still ringing from all the delicious spiritual food that i received today so i won't have my review up for at least another day or so.

suffice it to say that the dvd is extremely well designed(for the society, that is).

you can tell right away that they put a lot of money into cg planetoids.

HintOfLime

I always took those sorts of statistics to demonstrate how inefficeint God would have to be. (I don't believe there is a god, but to make this discussion easier, let's pretend there is one. Should be easy for most people.)

Does the video mention that when God put those billions of stars in the sky for us to gaze at.. he didn't give us eyes capable of seeing all but a small percentage of stars in our own galaxy? Apparently the other 99.9% of the universe he created for the Hubble Space Telescope.

Does the video mention how big the universe is? I've read that even if we could travel at the speed of light, the universe is spread so far apart that all the stars in the universe would die before we could explore 2% of our own galaxy.

Does the video mention that the universe has an age? The sun is roughly in the middle of it's lifespan, and will destroy the earth a few billion years from now. Why did he create the sun so that it would burn out, and then after lighting the fuse wait for it to burn half way before creating life?

Oh well, I guess if he wasn't doing that, he'd get busy making more bacteria, viruses, fungus, and protazoa to infect us, another favorite hobby of his. Of all of 'creation'.. the bulk of diversity comes in the form of stars and microorganisms that have no use to us - we can't even see them.

If humans are supposed to be of some note in God's creation, why so little diversity? We basically come in a few different body types, a couple different skin tones, and a couple hair/eye colors. We have whole regions of our brain dedicated to detecting subtle difference in facial structure so we can tell eachother apart. If there was a God, why would it seem he spent so little time designing us? We really do just look like hairless chimps with our proportions stretched and squashed a bit, and given a bigger brain.

- Lime

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I got my hands on the new "Wonders of Creation" DVD release

by Megachusen in

jw
friends

my head is still ringing from all the delicious spiritual food that i received today so i won't have my review up for at least another day or so.

suffice it to say that the dvd is extremely well designed(for the society, that is).

you can tell right away that they put a lot of money into cg planetoids.

HintOfLime

To be honest, I was surprised that at the end Ray Comfort didn't come onto stage with Jarcas weilding a banana.

Lol. Oh well, what else are they going to do? Until Bible 2.0 is released, they're stuck with the same old red herrings.

- Lime

18

I got my hands on the new "Wonders of Creation" DVD release

by Megachusen in

jw
friends

my head is still ringing from all the delicious spiritual food that i received today so i won't have my review up for at least another day or so.

suffice it to say that the dvd is extremely well designed(for the society, that is).

you can tell right away that they put a lot of money into cg planetoids.

HintOfLime

Does it discuss evolution at all? By the title it would almost suggest to me that it's going to be 30 minutes of 'oohs and ahhs' and possibly gloss over evolution without any actual meat to critique ("Because sunsets are beautiful, there must be a God.")

In other words, is there anything to debate, or is it just appeals to ignorance/emotion, opinion, and dogma?

- Lime

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Have you ever heard of JW female molester?

by asilentone in

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HintOfLime

My ex wife and several of her childhood friends were molested by a pioneer sister in the hall who 'enjoyed babysitting'. Several years later, she ended up stuck alone with the woman in a car while the others made a return visit. The sister tauntingly asked if she had told the elders, and then bragged that she had "turned five sisters into lesbians".

(Fortunately she did tell her parents after it happened, and they wouldn't allow the woman to babysit anymore. They also told the elders, but without a witness, they were just told to 'wait on jehovah' of course.)

- Lime

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FALSE ARGUMENTS AGAINST THINGS

by badboy in

jw
friends

know any cases of this?.

HintOfLime

Lol, that video is too much. He equates scientists to the people who believed the earth was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth.

Some people have some really funky wiring in their heads.

- Lime