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  WOW!!! Just found out from someone who went to the one day assembly....

  by Lady Liberty in

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  hello friends... just found out that at the recent one day assembly they are now really discouraging people from getting married!!!!!

  they will lose young ones like crazy if they start telling them that they cannot get married...what are these sexually frusterated young people to do??

  you cannot masterbate, you cannot have sex outside of marriage (not that i would encourage it either, but...), now you cannot even get married?????

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  mindmelda

  I think the theory is that if you're busy enough in "Kingdom Interests" you won't have enough energy to spank the monkey or even want to.

  One of their dumber theories.
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  The JW view of world/personal events is repulsive, unkind & just plain offensive

  by jambon1 in

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  2. beliefs

  on 9/11, an elder: it's sad but exciting!on a loved one dying: we can cope far better with this due to the resurection.on the tsunami, an elder: if they think this is bad, wait untill they see what happens at armageddon (smiling).on armageddon, an elder: i want to be able to see the people dying.on execution at god's hands, a pioneer: it'll put them out of their misery.on the swine flu virus, a pioneer: it'll mean less people for jehovah to kill at armageddon.on the birth of my daughter, a prominent elder: be carefull not to fall into the trap of 'baby worship'on the death of my non jw grandmother, an elder: be carefull at the funeral not to become involved in false worship (don't sing my grans favourite hymn)on the topic of my non jw sisters wedding, the po: if it falls on the weekend of the convention, you should make your stand & not go to the wedding.there is, of course, a normal response to each of these situations.

  there is a human response.

  one that is touched by the tragedy.

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  mindmelda

  "Baby worship" is JW speak for putting having a child ahead of selling crap for the promotion of the WTS.
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  What---if anything---can we learn from AYN RAND'S philosophy?

  by Terry in

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  consciousness.

  primacy of existence vs. primacy of consciousness.

  prior certainty of consciousness.

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  mindmelda

  Don't you have to have all the facts to make a valid decision based on facts?

  I wasn't aware all the facts are in on the God thing, or a lot of other metaphysical questions.

  I wonder if the IRS has read Number III up there? They're violating your right to own property and keep what you produce without government interference when they lien it for back taxes.

  "We're the IRS...Ayn Rand can bite us. "
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  The JW view of world/personal events is repulsive, unkind & just plain offensive

  by jambon1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on 9/11, an elder: it's sad but exciting!on a loved one dying: we can cope far better with this due to the resurection.on the tsunami, an elder: if they think this is bad, wait untill they see what happens at armageddon (smiling).on armageddon, an elder: i want to be able to see the people dying.on execution at god's hands, a pioneer: it'll put them out of their misery.on the swine flu virus, a pioneer: it'll mean less people for jehovah to kill at armageddon.on the birth of my daughter, a prominent elder: be carefull not to fall into the trap of 'baby worship'on the death of my non jw grandmother, an elder: be carefull at the funeral not to become involved in false worship (don't sing my grans favourite hymn)on the topic of my non jw sisters wedding, the po: if it falls on the weekend of the convention, you should make your stand & not go to the wedding.there is, of course, a normal response to each of these situations.

  there is a human response.

  one that is touched by the tragedy.

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  mindmelda

  I've seen people die...I hope they have a very strong stomach for dealing with guts, brain matter, shit, vomit, blood and mucous pouring out of people in buckets. They don't know what the hell they're talking about.

  It's not nearly as pretty as it is on TV.
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  WOW!!! Just found out from someone who went to the one day assembly....

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hello friends... just found out that at the recent one day assembly they are now really discouraging people from getting married!!!!!

  they will lose young ones like crazy if they start telling them that they cannot get married...what are these sexually frusterated young people to do??

  you cannot masterbate, you cannot have sex outside of marriage (not that i would encourage it either, but...), now you cannot even get married?????

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  This celibacy thing is an old song from the Witnesses, new verse. Russell, who Freud would have had a field day with, recommended celibacy and felt that all of his followers should try it, at least, if not embrace it, because it got them one step closer to their heaveny reward, as angels in heaven aren't sexual beings.

  I wonder why old Charley was so afraid of sex? Boy, I'd like to crawl inside that guy's psyche sometime, but it's interesting that a lot of originators of cultish religious movements have some sexual hangup that involves controlling others sexually in some way. Demanding celibacy, castration, abstinence, sexual restriction that's enforced through punishment, breaking of the culture's social rules about marriage or sex, promiscuity, sexual abuse of some sort as part of the religion is common.

  When it came about that they weren't all gathered to heaven when expected and the "great crowd" idea was invented to explain why there were more than 144,000 Witnesses all of a sudden, it occurred to the Witlesses that they'd actually have to deal with sex, marriage and family issues but they still would rather just sweep it all under the carpet and pretend no one has normal sexual or parental urges.

  Knorr was a creepy sex obsessed virginal homophobe who thought men wearing blue jeans and sneakers and getting a perm would make them gay. It was under him that the social and sexual rules in the WTS got tighter than a duck's arse.

  But, there's always been a subtle encouragement to forgo marriage and pioneer instead, probably when they're running short of free labor. The other end of it is teenagers marrying because that's the only way they can keep from fornicating or being accused of it with someone they have any interest in. As one ex Witness I know put it, "If you're a single brother over 16 and you even LOOK at a single sister too long, everyone starts speculating when the wedding will be."

  This is one screwy religion when it comes to sex...but that's what all cults are like. You know what Madison Avenue says..."Grab em by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow."
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  It's quite simple really...

  by undercover in

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  i remember when i first started questioning the wts/jws.

  there were so many scandals and teachings and history to explore and research.

  i needed to learn everything i could about every little inconsistency, every mistake, every scandal in order to convince myself that i was on the correct path to freedom from this false religion.

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  My mother was baptized in 73. I remember middle aged Witnesses selling everything to "pioneer to the end". ALL of them are dead from old age now.

  What a sad and cruel joke on them that '75 nonsense was. :(
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  What's WRONG with this Ten Plague description?

  by Terry in

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  2. bible

  moses brought 10 plagues upon egypt to change pharoah's mind about letting jehovah's people go.. the 5th plague is to destroy only the egyptian livestock:.

  6 and the next day the lord did it: all the livestock of the egyptians died, but not one animal belonging to the israelites died.. .

  a few days later the 7th plague is described:.

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  When you read the Bible, without any WTS Dark side of the Force mind tricks, you start wondering, or at least, I did, "Why did God make people write such an incomprehensible and hard to understand book if we need to read it to be saved?"

  Some possibilities come to mind:

  1. God is a mean jerk who likes to make us jump through flaming hoops of illogic to save ourselves...

  2. People wrote it, and people are mean jerks who like to see you jump through flaming hoops of illogic for their amusement

  3. It's just a collection of Bronze Age folktales and those are all incomprehensible mishmashes of old stories and full of weird unscientific ideas.

  4. God doesn't need a big Book of God for us to know him, because some people had a God very like the Biblical God and/or the whole idea of gods before, during and while there was a Bible...honest, they did.

  I'm sure there's dozens of others you can think of, but taking the Bible literally is the last thing I'd want to do. Or else I'd be selling my oldest daughter into slavery to pay my debts and wearing all linen clothes at the moment, and worrying about dragons and wild beasts and hellfire.
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  How many of you were baptised at a young age?

  by lepermessiah in

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  2. friends

  one thing this site has made me reflect on the baptism practice in jw land.. many of us were raised in the religion, thus you were given the pressure early on to shoot for baptism as a goal.. i remember feeling bad because i waited until the ripe old age of 14 to take the plunge.. looking back, i realize that when i was 14, i didnt even know what my favorite color was, let alone have enough knowledge to make a life altering decision.

  yet, growing up in that climate, i would say anyone who waited past their early teens to get baptised was viewed with great suspicion and was likely to be viewed as "bad association".

  kids who took the dip at 8-9 years of age were viewed as "wise beyond their years" and the like.. how old were some of you when you were baptised, and what are your feelings on the matter?.

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  Me too Jen. My mother basically is a very unhappy person, a victim of child abuse herself, and although she was afraid to hit us most of the time during her constant rages, she was always emotionally abusive and highly manipulative and still is.

  My dad openly says to everyone that "B_____ put the Bible on a the end of a whip and made us all become Witnesses." She believed that it'd fix everything wrong with her and us and the world if we converted to being Witnesses. She pounded that into us, too, and my brother rebelled and left home at 17, and faded out. He's back in again, nominally, again to make Mom happy, but he rarely attends meetings or does FS. Just to keep the peace, he jumped through their hoops and got reinstated.

  I remember when she first studied, she'd lock herself up in her room with stacks of WTS books and magazines and pour over them obsessively for hours, not getting out of bed, and not eating, not sleeping...mentally unbalanced obsessive behavior, but as a child, I assumed everyone's mother was like mine, i knew no better. The Witnesses actually praised her for this, telling her she was "aglow with the spirit" and "Jehovah was blessing her studying and praying day and night". She's a victim of religious obsession, or religiousity, she does everything obsessively.

  My mother has OCD and she hoards things and she is chronically anxious and depressed. She did the same thing with becoming a Witness as she did with everything else in her life, made it a slave to her mental illness, which enslaves her.

  But, my brother and I both felt compelled to get baptized out of the incessant pressure to please her. We never knew anything else but pleasing her, and my father does most things just to keep her "happy" which she isn't anyway.

  My brother always jokes that if we had a family crest, the motto would be "Don't upset MOM!"
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  Putting the 'probability argument' against abiogenesis in the grave once and for all

  by bohm in

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  amongst the many arguments for and against creation the probability arguments stands out.

  the improbability of generating the necessary proteins by chanceor the genetic information to produce themto balloon beyond comprehension.

  ... the odds of getting even one functional protein of modest length (150 amino acids) by chance from a prebioitc soup is no better than 1 chance in 10164. meyer continues, another way to say that is the probability of finding a functional protein by chance alone is a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion times smaller than the odds of finding a single specific particle among all the particles in the universe.. the evidence for the probability of origin of life arising from darwins warm little pond seems to have vanished beyond the realm of any possibilityregardless of any early earth scenario.. i really, really want to put it in the grave because i think its an embaressment to the theists and thinking humans in general; its right up there with 'noahs ark has been found' and 'humans have less chromosomes than monkeys', but for some reason people dont see through it.

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  Bayesians come in flocks?

  Is that like a pride of lions or a gaggle of geese? LOL
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  What would Jesus Christ say if he returned today?

  by James_Slash in

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  2. experiences

  this was always one of the main justifications for me in leaving the wt behind.

  i was just wondering how many of you have ever reasoned in the same way.. i have often wondered how jesus christ would react if he came back to the earth now and how he would view the organisation who claim to represent his standards?.

  would jesus really want to be associated with paedophilia, false prophecies, shunning, the destruction of families, lies, untruths, hypocritical leaders and the lack of love amongst members?.

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  Damn, I want one of those double downs now!

  Um, that's not what I think Jesus would say, that's what I said.

  He'd probably say, "Look at all these people pretending that they know me!" and then die again laughing.