that was one of the first of the prepackaged beliefs from my church that i let fall.. why?.
because i'd stared evil in the face and lived to tell about it.
i know it's textures, it's dark places, the feel, smell, perversion, degradation, corruption of it.
Also Satan's attempts to tempt Jesus mirrored his work in the Garden showing that he repeatedly uses the same tactics.
Millions Now Living Will Never Die.
They positively will not die.
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.
HHHhhmmm
Whose minds are corrupted?
abe
i know that soon, the jws in our area will be out in full force, on their hit and run campaign with invitations to the memorial.
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did you ever encounter a householder during this campaign, that made you stop and think about what you were doing?
Same as above, when they tell you that only a select group of self important men partake, ask them for their definition of "anyone".
and show them this verse right out of their own NWT:
John 6:50-51
This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that anyone may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; if anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and, for a fact, the bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world."
abe
i know that soon, the jws in our area will be out in full force, on their hit and run campaign with invitations to the memorial.
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did you ever encounter a householder during this campaign, that made you stop and think about what you were doing?
How about this:
Do Jehovah's Witnesses all go to a "memorial" at a Kingdom Hall instead of staying in their own house because they have NOT heard Jesus Christs voice?
Then ask for their NWT and turn to this verse:
Revelation 3:19-20
"‘All those for whom I have affection I reprove and discipline. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Look! I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into his [house] and take the evening meal with him and he with me.
When they start telling you about how just a select group of self important men partake you could also ask them what the definition of "anyone" is and after they answer use the same verse above.
abe
the february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".
setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.
certainly wwi was a big war.
Bobcat,
My understanding of John 12:31 is that Jesus Christ is talking about an event that would occur shortly (his crucifiction and ressurection).
Prior to that event the possibility of judging the world and especially Satan did not exist in a righteous way.
That event would "now" make that possible.
Yes, thats a different kind of "now".
But hey, from looking at the rest of your post it looks like our personal convictions are very different.
I just wanted people on this forum to have an opportunity to see why 1914 is a valid "turning point in history" especially in regard to both Satan and Jesus Christ.
I invite them to watch the video through the link I posted above.
abe
the february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".
setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.
certainly wwi was a big war.
wantingtruth,
Yes, I know my convictions regarding 1914 trouble you, especially when we can agree on almost everything else.
I already know your thoughts on these 1914 matters. Your interpretations have not convinced me because I see no logical explanation or evidence.
The most significant thing we most definitely agree on is the Name of the Wild beast and the calculation of its number!
Thank you for helping me understand how to do the calculation.
Hope you have shared that in this forum.
I know that I have.
Greetings Rus.
abe
the february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".
setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.
certainly wwi was a big war.
Bobcat,
I can completely agree that Jesus Christ is king of his kingdom and that all authority was given him upon his ressurection.
A king can still sit on his throne and wait.
A time period for this "waiting" can still be applied to a person who is already a king.
Your quoting this verse above however, suggests that you think period "C" has already started as well:
(John 12:31, 32) . . . Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And yet I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw men of all sorts to me.
If you don't think the judging has already started then you need to consider how you are interpreting the word "now" in the scripture.
I am convinced that Satan's casting out of heaven occured not long before 1914 and is the evidence I looked for (and found) in order to determine the veracity of 1914 as being a historic turning point.
The reason why I beleive it was shortly before is because of what Revelation 12 says:
"Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!
Because is underlined as it suggests the casting out has to happen first. (befor 1914?)
The Watchtower magazines however say that the "casting out" happened AFTER 1914 so I started out already having differences of opinion to the WTBTS.
I resolved all the controversy over the 1914 date in my own mind by using a very unique method to search for evidence I felt MUST be somewhere in the public record if 1914 had any veracity at all. Thankfully it was at a time when google had just become available and searches through the "public record" had become possible for anyone with a computer and Internet connection. Prior to that I do not think my method would have been feasable.
All this I did while still being considered a JW in "good standing".
I discuss it in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKjvInShZQ
abe
the february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".
setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.
certainly wwi was a big war.
So where does WWI and 1914 fit into this depiction of human history?
It is my conviction that 1914 is yet another turning point prior to "C" and yet after "B".
When Jesus Christ was ressurrected this happened:
Psalm 110:1-2
The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is:
"Sit at my right hand
Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."
2 The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:]
"Go subduing in the midst of your enemies."
Jesus Christ "sits" for a period of time.
There comes and end to that period of time as directly stated in the scripture above:
"Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."
I believe the "sitting" stopped when this scripture in Revelation Chapter 12 was fulfilled:
Revelation 12:10-12
"Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time."
"because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down" - "Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."
The significance of 1914 is that Jesus Christ is no longer "sitting".
So 1914 "fits" after period "B" and yet we are still before period "C".
A scriptural milestone happens in between the two periods you indicated.
The Apostle Paul also acknowledged this milestone event that was to happen in the future:
Hebrews 10:12-13
But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.
So yes, 1914 is "A Turning Point In History"
Jesus Christ is no longer "waiting".
abe
which teachings did jesus/god approve when considering jehovah witnesses?.
"since jehovah god and jesus christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?
watchtower 2009 feb 15 p.27 how do we know that god and jesus christ trust them completly?
See if you can determine who the REAL CHRISTIANS are in this video mashup which includes statements from actual Governing Body members:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe-Rpt-Fspg
After all, a "Christian" is someone who obeys Jesus Christ .......................... right?
abe
which teachings did jesus/god approve when considering jehovah witnesses?.
"since jehovah god and jesus christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?
watchtower 2009 feb 15 p.27 how do we know that god and jesus christ trust them completly?
"Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?"
This is a statement that Jesus Christ himself about 2000 years ago warned us to watch for:
Luke 21:8
He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them.
He also COMMANDED us on what to do when confronted with statements like the one you posted above.
So its a choice, obey Jesus Christ or the people who claim to come on the basis of his name saying; "the due time has approached".
The decision each person makes determines their true obedience to Jesus Christ.
Do not go after them
It is a decision which determines if the person is REALLY a "Christian" or not.
After all, a "Christian" is someone who obeys Jesus Christ .......................... right?
abe
i recently became aware of the new light.
please correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't this new light concerning 1914 means that the wt have been preaching the wrong doctrine for decades?
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At one time I was very uncertain about the year 1914 with all the controversy about the starting date to calculate the period.
You can see a lot of that controversy already in the posts above.
I used a completely different method to settle in my mind the veracity of 1914 that does not involve a "start date" for the calculation.
Instead I searched for other evidence which the bible infers should be available immediately prior to the year 1914 if its significance is true.
and found it with help from what was a very new resource at the time .................................... google!
Here is a video explaining:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKjvInShZQ
abe
