to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace.
some of you may have recently observed some discussions regarding what... or rather, who... the word of god is, truly.
in those and other threads, some participants weren't able to grasp the difference between discussion vs. contention... and defending their own faith... and love of god and christ... vs. ramming their [mis]assumptions as to the "vengeance of god"... down others' throats.
Thanks for your input.
When I say "evidence" I mean reasonable proveable facts. I think Jesus could easily be an "adopted" human/ There are scriptures that indicate otherwise, but scriptures..... that have changed that disagree? I don't know.
I'm OK if you take everything I say as a question.
Look forward to more input tomorrow. Thanks.
hey... a good friend of mine was visited by 2 elders this evening..and after being treated like something you wouldn't want on your shoe...told her that her parents can no longer have anything to do with her 9 year old boy.
he is not baptized.. her dad is an elder and mum a long standing publisher...can they really insist that the grandparents ignore the child??
they babysit for him when she's at work...she would have to leave her job, and she lives in their house too..although they live elsewhere...her dad is researching this as he is obviously curious as to whether this is scriptural.
There is no rule anywhere ever that would stop them from seeing the grandson as much as they wanted.
Both of my sisters have been disfellowshipped once or twice and even as an elder I was encouraged to see my neice and nephews as much as possible. (As was/is my mother and stepdad) It is against their OWN teachings that a child should be shunned because their parents.
god to me would be as refreshing as a cold beer on a summers day.. today iam an atheist.
iam no longer a beliver in other peoples idea of god.
yet iam thirsty to find a god.
Atheism makes sense, but it doesn't feel right. How can we be special without a god to create us? How can we be forever without our immortal soul?
On the same journey tho I still believe in God/intelligent design for = the spark of life, and human conciousness. Humans are special in a way that happened 10 - 20 thousand years ago. No evolutionary reason, we just suddenly had speech and art and agriculture. We made a leap the Neanderthals could not in 200,00 years? (not sure the #'s)
Still like God as the simplest answer there. But I know that I don't know - the true beginning of wisdom.
in the key to family happiness book, the wbts says that if you have sex with your marriage mate after they cheat on you, and you knew it, you cannot divorce them.. i was disgusted by learning that.
i only discovered this recently, but i am very angry.
what if your husand tells you that he'll keep screwing other women if you don't have sex with him?
Good example of made up rules with no scriptures to back them.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace.
some of you may have recently observed some discussions regarding what... or rather, who... the word of god is, truly.
in those and other threads, some participants weren't able to grasp the difference between discussion vs. contention... and defending their own faith... and love of god and christ... vs. ramming their [mis]assumptions as to the "vengeance of god"... down others' throats.
| Hope it is OK to re-post this thought, but I would like your comments Shelby. Thanks. I have long felt that Christians put an unreasonable demand on the Bible. They often say it is the Word of God, it is inspired, it is infallable. The scriptures themselves DO NOT MAKE THIS CLAIM. The opinion of one man writing a letter to his friend Timothy is the basis of this nonsense. I think Paul was a man trying to do his best, however he nowhere claims HIS writings are inspired scripture. Luke was writing a history that he had to gather from other sources hell - he told us he was NOT inspired. (Luke and Acts). The ONLY NT book that claims inspiration is Revelation..... a book written 60,70, 100 years after Christ died? In the very first Scripture list is was given the same place as the Apocalypse of Peter. (Muratorian fragment c. 100a.d.) In 100 they didn't HAVE a bible. "The Shepherd of Hermes" was a more accepted book than many they accept today. For me the beleif goes - Creator provides spark of life and conciousness of man. Something the Genesis account represents VERY loosely. Beyond that - I think it is possible - even Likely that the law was from God or at least created under his influence. Thus the revealed god. Was Jesus a heavenly personage transfered to human life or a man adopted to be THE son of God? Not sure - evidence is lacking. If Jesus spoke to me directly would I even know it? Would I go get medicated as a psychotic or would I think I was chosen? Not sure honestly. Guess it is all part of the Journey but I would love some input Shelby. |
i have a question, primarily for trinitarians, but anyone's more than welcome to comment.
what scriptural basis is there for believing in the trinity?
i can understand some having the view that jesus/jehovah both can be worshipped, and the view that jesus should be, but where in the bible is the holy spirit worshipped?
Quiet one - Thanks for the thread we do it alot but still one of my favorites.
You'll see on page one - trying to make the arguement the "personification" of the Holy Spirit. This is a strawman arguement. Both sides attack it and both win in their own mind. The fact is the HS is often "personified" as "he" "him" or having feelings being hurt etc... However HE is never God. This issue makes no difference to me.
For me it is simple. One scripture could be wrong (either the writer or the translation) however the overall relationship is ALWAYS Father and Son. Jesus is the son of God. God is THE Father. It was given to us to understand - One gives life to the other and is superior.
Unlike JWs and others I do believe Jesus is everything his Father is. The only differences are eternity and position. That is what Father/Son means. My son is 4" taller than me and could woop my ass, but I am still the father. He is everything I am. He has my power, my intelligence, my abilities, but not my age or position. I gave life to him, but he is only inferior in position not in quality or substance.
You will not find 1 scripture - reasonably translated - that diagrees with this understanding.
Or let me know if you can.....
previous, related thread: ny catholic church on new gay marriage law.
gay marriage is finally legal in my state.
let the next wave of ignorance begin!.
WTWizard - I agree that it is just like the scenario you presented. If a company or agency changes thier policies you either change with it or leave. When I first moved to my town it was dry - no alcohol at all - now they sell beer and wine at all the grocery stores. If someone who was hired while they were dry was offended by the change -so what? Do they get to keep there job if they refuse to check out people who come thru their line with beer?
an ex-jw walks into a bar and orders three mugs of bud.
he sits in the back of the room, drinking a sip out of each one in turn.
when he finishes them, he comes back to the bar and orders three more.. the bartender approaches and tells the ex-jw, "you know, a mug goes flat after i draw it.
Great conversion of the old Irish joke - "I gave up drinking for lent - but my brothers didn't" Thanks.
you know, the thing they were talking about in the 2011 dc.
it was about how the "toes" of daniel's image no longer represent all the individual governments that have come around in human history.
and that the anglo-american world power is the last world power we'll see before the end of the system of things.
I had to admit to my wife - That's what I thought we believed anyway. I didn't even realize that was new.........
i caught the entire session today, and strangely, it was the first time i was able to stay completely alert for an entire dc program.
i'm guessing the reason for that is that i was looking at the program with a critical eye for the first time in my life and was not being hypnotised by mind-numbing repitition (see steve hassen's combatting cult mind control).
the program wasn't that bad.
Dontplace - I thought the same thing about that poor Kid. It sounded ridiculous.... I guess they can't use an unbaptized pub on the Drama? This kid's voice was 5-6 for sure.
Lots of comedy material. If it didn't screw people it would be funny,.......
