uc berkeley administrators canceled a scheduled speech by right-wing pundit ann coulter, saying they can’t protect participants from rioting if it goes ahead.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/uc-berkeley-orders-cancellation-of-ann-coulter-11084299.php.
now i am no ann coulter fan (although the sjw police on here will accuse me of being a fan shortly after posting this), but i am a fan of free speech!
bohm you are referring to the most recent events
...yes. Bravo for figuring that out...
The idea of turing this to violence CLEARLY started with the left, and any alt right whatever repsonse to it, has been coming.
...so there was right wing violence and I was actually right?
Do go on making excuses ;-). Notice how I don't excuse Antifa.
uc berkeley administrators canceled a scheduled speech by right-wing pundit ann coulter, saying they can’t protect participants from rioting if it goes ahead.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/uc-berkeley-orders-cancellation-of-ann-coulter-11084299.php.
now i am no ann coulter fan (although the sjw police on here will accuse me of being a fan shortly after posting this), but i am a fan of free speech!
Bohm: surely we agree that the violent demonstrations at Berkley had alt-right participation
FMF: Bull shit
Man this is ridiculous...
So all the people who organized under alt-right twitter handles, showed up with alt-right slogans, wearing body armor, they were all leftists?
Kyle Chapman, who is on camera punching a women in the head and who was arrested, who tweeted about how to bring concealed weapons to the demonstration, he is NOT affiliated with the alt-right?
Is this a denial of reality or a no-true-Scotsman fallacy?
uc berkeley administrators canceled a scheduled speech by right-wing pundit ann coulter, saying they can’t protect participants from rioting if it goes ahead.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/uc-berkeley-orders-cancellation-of-ann-coulter-11084299.php.
now i am no ann coulter fan (although the sjw police on here will accuse me of being a fan shortly after posting this), but i am a fan of free speech!
Lately though all the nuts rioting have been leftist
surely we agree that the violent demonstrations at Berkley had alt-right participation. I mean, Kyle Chapman (based stickman) was arrested at the demonstration and he is both alt-right and has been agitating for violence for a long time... There are many pictures of people with alt-right iconography fighting and Heiling online from Berkley.
uc berkeley administrators canceled a scheduled speech by right-wing pundit ann coulter, saying they can’t protect participants from rioting if it goes ahead.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/uc-berkeley-orders-cancellation-of-ann-coulter-11084299.php.
now i am no ann coulter fan (although the sjw police on here will accuse me of being a fan shortly after posting this), but i am a fan of free speech!
Alt-right activists at /pol/ discussing which weapons to bring along for the demonstration, who to beat up, how to make incendiary devices (I wonder when this becomes domestic terrorism?) amidst the usual racism, antisemitism, nazi cheering and sexism
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/122430598/
uc berkeley administrators canceled a scheduled speech by right-wing pundit ann coulter, saying they can’t protect participants from rioting if it goes ahead.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/uc-berkeley-orders-cancellation-of-ann-coulter-11084299.php.
now i am no ann coulter fan (although the sjw police on here will accuse me of being a fan shortly after posting this), but i am a fan of free speech!
I am against deplatforming people because of "unpopular" views, but I can easily understand this from Berkley's perspective.
The past demonstrations have turned Berkley into a retard magnet and made Berkley and the community the focus of fascists and neo-nazis from across the US who organize and travel to Berkley for streetfighting. Look at the hashtags #basedsticks (instructions for smuggling concealed weapons to demonstrations) and #magamilitia as well as the various right-wing groups who (proud boys, identity evropa [sic] and oathkeepers) who reside somewhere on the fascist spectrum and showed up in force and riot gear for the last demonstration. The radical left (antifa) are certainly not innocent, however, you don't have to be a marketing genius to understand that connecting Berkley with heiling, fascist loons in riot gear is not good.
Death threats have been issued on Twitter in connection with the last demonstration and it is clear future demonstrations are going to turn violent... From Berkeley's perspective, I think there is a moral concern to host events that are so likely to turn violent (nevermind the image problem and responsibility to the community!), and potentially a legal problem if/when someone gets seriously hurt.
when growing up as a child i would go to the toilet, and now as an adult i know what those noises were.. they were tugging and jerking sounds, along with heavy breathing.
i had no idea what was going on.
i remember too telling my mum about it.. but i now know.
That awkward moment when your new latin-American study Jesus Hernandez is in the hall the first time and takes "we are all waiting for Jesus to come" a bit too literal.
But really, Yew! again: YEW YEW YEW.
my g'daughter and her hubby are stationed in okinawa.. i talked with her a few hours earlier today, and she stated they're preparing for the worst.. young people are remarkably resilient, aren't they?.
sylvia.
I think people are underestimating just how involved China is with North Korea and how little China wish for a unified Korea:
North Korea and China have a treaty according to which they are obliged to defend each other and provide assistance in the event of war. In other words, if the US bomb North Korea, China is required to come to north Korea's assistance militarily on the simplest interpretation. There are indications this treaty is not simply seen as a cold-war relic by China since the anniversary of the signing was celebrated last year.
North Korea's attempts to obtain ICBMs with nukes has been underway for decades and is now in the final stages. Obviously, China has long ago accepted this will happen, and recognize it as a far lesser evil than a unified Korea. Drawing red lines in the sand and hoping China will change its minds seems very far-fetched to me at this point, not only because of the current US administration could not convince an alligator to eat a chicken, but also because what exactly can anyone offer China?
What should also be mentioned is that now that North Korea has nuclear weapons, China has more incentive to prevent unification because what they least of all like is a nuclear unified Korea on its border.
my g'daughter and her hubby are stationed in okinawa.. i talked with her a few hours earlier today, and she stated they're preparing for the worst.. young people are remarkably resilient, aren't they?.
sylvia.
cofty:
One assessment I have read is that China (a) don't have a clue what to do about DPRK and (b) first and foremost don't want a unified Korea.
North Korea having ICMBs with nukes is not as such that bad for China for any reason I can see. I think the main problem from their perspective is that it might encourage others (Japan, South Korea) to get their own nukes and that may be undesirable, however, it is very unclear that will actually happen and China will, at any rate, remain the dominant force in the region.
If NK carry out another nuclear test - any day now - then China be forced to make a stand.
The question on my mind is why? China likely can't persuade North Korea from miniaturizing their existing nuclear arsenal (no success so far; unclear if real efforts are really being put into the problem actually) and when North Korea do succeed, what will China gain from altering its stance in that situation? I just don't see what is forcing China.
China may, in an ideal world, hope for a non-nuclear DPRK, but that has already happened and we got to think what makes sense for China right now and I think that is doing as little as possible.
NK must be prevented from having nuclear weapons at any cost but that cost might be massive.
What are the real options here? Draw a line in the sand and wait for north Korea to cross it, which they will?
According to experts in North Korea (actual experts, not talking heads on TV) it is very likely DPRK may evaluate the situation from a completely different set of assumptions than we assume. I recommend "The cleanest race"
Imagine after the first bombing run hundreds of thousands of NK troops pour into the northern provinces of south korea which is what they have prepared for decades... will there really be a political will to push them back considering the conflict will be fought with chemical and biological weapons in regions already devastated by shelling? will it be possible to actually defeat DPRK or will China prevent than by threatening to step into the conflict (i.e. a replay of the Korean conflict?).
I think it is easy to imagine that DPRK believes they can win such a conflict (i.e. inflict damage on south Korea, possibly moving the border slightly south), which would make sense of why they seem to make threats of war nonstop.
my g'daughter and her hubby are stationed in okinawa.. i talked with her a few hours earlier today, and she stated they're preparing for the worst.. young people are remarkably resilient, aren't they?.
sylvia.
Cofty: With viable nukes which they have, miniaturization and mounting them on missiles is only a question of time. The figure I have heard is 5-10 years and in addition to that, there are other ways to deliver nukes. The only way I think it can be solved is diplomatically, and that is very doubtful NK will budge and at any rate, Trump is the least likely person to broker anything.
In addition to this, there is a good chance DPRK may be looking for a war and may have the ability to win it (win is in this context defined as taking a few of the northern provinces of SK)... that is why I don't think there are serious plans to do anything. It isn't like Iran where their reaction to an airstrike can be expected to be constrained, DPRK may well go all out apeshit with hundreds of thousands of troops storming SK.
my g'daughter and her hubby are stationed in okinawa.. i talked with her a few hours earlier today, and she stated they're preparing for the worst.. young people are remarkably resilient, aren't they?.
sylvia.
Sylvia: lol, I definitely think there is a "crowd size" problem, but Trump is a bully and it would seem more in line with that to attack someone less than his own size.. that is why I think this is more calculated (ha!) posturing.
