Posts by freddo

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A Country where no-one under 25 believes the biblical creation story.

by fulltimestudent in

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friends

no icelanders under the age of 25 believe the creation story that god was responsible for creating the universe, a new poll claims.the poll, commissioned by the icelandic ethical humanist association, claims that 93.9 per cent in the under 25 category responded that the universe was created by the big bang.

just over 6 per cent responded with ‘don’t know’ or ‘other’.

none of the respondents, however, believed that the universe had been created by god.

freddo

Interesting - but Iceland has less population than the capital of Wales (Cardiff) so maybe only representative of Nordic countries?

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The WT in 10 years time

by Coded Logic in

a. in 2026 in what state do you think the organization will be?.

) 9million + members.

) roughly the same amount of members as today (7-9 million)..

freddo

A2 (possibly 5)

B3

C3

D3

Meetings - one a week plus specials and less KH's.

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Ridiculous statements in this weeks study article

by the truth is mine in

maybe it is just me but when i read this paragraph all i could do is shake my head and wonder how i used to buy into this crap and how people don't wonder what the hell the writers are thinking'.

"imagine what life would be like if god did not have love for mankind.

we merely have to look at the awful history of this world with its human rulerships under its unloving and wrathful god, satan the devil.

freddo

I quite liked the 100 million died in wars in 100 years line.

A quick look at WW1 and WW2 gives us 80 million of those.

So in the first 30 years or so four-fifths of all the war dead occur and in the last 70 years "only" 20 million.

By any standard that is a huge improvement.

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A possible reason why the GB are becoming more demanding as things worsen

by Listener in

basically because they feel they are not being blessed.. this is not to say that all gb members feel this way.

the power hungry ones love getting the whip out.

the other members incorrectly look to the old testament for answers.. they are telling the sheep to be faithful, dedicated, self sacrificing, serving to the fullest, whole hearted and obedient.

freddo

It's like watching a game of chess where the GB are down to a rook (D'fing), a knight (jw dot org) and a few pawns. (elder and CO enforcers)

They fight tooth and nail, they put up defences but they are facing a pair of rooks and a queen (financial issues, false promises creating apathy and child abuse exposure) which are circling and taking a pawn here and there and are slowly but surely backing them into a corner.

It's a slow game but it's finally going in the right direction.

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Elder School Video

by dontfitin in

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friends

hope you guys can help me find something.

there was a video circulating about three years ago showing a sample judicial meeting, which basically ended up with the other elders slamming the one guy who was trying to be somewhat merciful.

of course the person was df'd.. my husband said at the meeting they actually had a talk saying that now the elders look for any reason not to df, etc.,etc.. i am trying to find that video.

freddo

@dontfitin

Sorry I misunderstood - I thought you meant he was at the elders meeting where the video was shown, not that he was simply "at the meeting" as in a congregation meeting.

Sounds like he is an honest, caring and sincere man. Look after each other.

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Elder School Video

by dontfitin in

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friends

hope you guys can help me find something.

there was a video circulating about three years ago showing a sample judicial meeting, which basically ended up with the other elders slamming the one guy who was trying to be somewhat merciful.

of course the person was df'd.. my husband said at the meeting they actually had a talk saying that now the elders look for any reason not to df, etc.,etc.. i am trying to find that video.

freddo

@dontfitin

But if he is in elder then he would have seen the video at the elders school. If so then part of him knows that the session was little more then a reminder not to be too lenient.

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Elder School Video

by dontfitin in

jw
friends

hope you guys can help me find something.

there was a video circulating about three years ago showing a sample judicial meeting, which basically ended up with the other elders slamming the one guy who was trying to be somewhat merciful.

of course the person was df'd.. my husband said at the meeting they actually had a talk saying that now the elders look for any reason not to df, etc.,etc.. i am trying to find that video.

freddo

I saw that video. I think your husband has rose-coloured glasses on.

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New here

by MarkofCane in

hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

freddo

I remember posting on here - as in actually typing - a few months after resigning as an elder when the phone rang and it was a very sincere, misguided but kindly ex-fellow elder I'll call "J" who wanted to pick my brains about a judicial case we had been on together as the third man had also resigned as an elder and moved away and he, that is "J" - couldn't remember the details.

So there I am, feet up on the desk one afternoon, this site open in mid-post and he says "Young XXX is having problems again, confidentially can you remember "the steps leading to his sin" last time?"

Anyway I offered some help stressing that the young man came from a difficult background and needed kindness and he agreed.

He says "Of course he went on unauthorised websites didn't he?"

I nearly choked on my cup of tea!

Then he says "I really miss having someone with a bit of common sense on the body, it's not the same since you and YYY stepped down!"

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How far will they go?

by careful in

i've been drawing back lately and looking at the big picture going on in the org, somewhat like slimboyfat has also been doing, but i am wondering about different possibilities.

so the current gb has modernized recently in various ways.

they have done a strong and sudden about-face regarding the electronic world, from viewing the whole thing suspiciously and condemning bros. use tablets from the platform to suddenly embracing them and causing the r&f to do so to such a degree that old ones are spending hundreds of dollars to buy devices that they have no clue how to use; they have heavily embraced this media for their message, very much like the churches have been doing for years, especially with their jw broadcasting and their caleb and sophia animations.

freddo

They want Control, they want Adulation, they want Dollars. C.A.D. This is the holy trinity of the present governing body today.

The dollars are draining away through their publishing empire costing more than it makes. They are becoming a property empire instead.

So how do they maintain C. A. D?

Control

As has been mentioned CO's (and the service desk) are the enforcers. As long as they have enough of these they can control the empire. So all the printing and support staff can be kicked out. All the paid special pioneers can be downgraded to regular pioneers. DO's are history.

What next? Maybe super circuits?

Two circuits (40 congs - maybe reduced to 36-38 if congs amalgamated) under one CO and one visit a year from him and another six months later from a bigger pool of substitutes CO. This keeps control and gives incentive for position to the wannabe elders, ex-bethelites and special pioneers. Saves dollars too.

Adulation

More GovBodTV electric church. More jw.org. with them in the focus of the camera. Keep regional assemblies for them to visit, hold up a (virtual) publication and use as money spinners. Trumpet on about their HQ lakeside retirement complex.

What next?

I haven't a clue. It's all at a new level of crazy.

Dollars

Keep selling KH's and pruning bethels in the short term - mid-term. Longer term I think they have big big problems with lawsuits. Watch out for changes to procedures that will save money.

I cannot see them having a good money spinner after from when the hi-value property gets sold off and the funds used up.

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Fisticuffs Erupts Between Mormons and JWs at Montreal Airport... WTF?

by Room 215 in

apologies if someone else has posted this before: .

http://vaticanenquirer.com/canadas-mormons-and-jehovahs-witnesses-brawl-trying-to-get-to-refugees-first/.

sorry, meant to say "fighting erupts" ... my bad.

freddo

Vatican Enquirer - look under the religion section and see a photoshop of Pope Francis with a shovel and black sack cleaning up a dead angel that flew into the Sistine chapel window!

"It seems to happen every week"

"at time of going to press the Bishop of Rome was scraping a dead angel off the popemobile's windscreen"

"usually they die instantly by breaking their neck when they hit the stained glass window but if they are twitching a bit I find it best to put them out of their misery with a shovel."

Brilliant.