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  Is disassociating worth the hassle?

  by HereIgo in

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  i have been out now for 6 years but lately i have been giving some thought to da.

  i just kind of feel that chapter in my life is still open and for some reason i feel like da'ing might close that chapter but i'm not entirely sure.

  im not df either, when i left i basically faded and disappeared.

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  @Fernando

  Did many of your family leave too?
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  child abuse the Australian Royal Commission

  by zeb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

  the wt input is there toward the bottom of the page.

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  @Fisherman

  Relevance?
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  Is disassociating worth the hassle?

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been out now for 6 years but lately i have been giving some thought to da.

  i just kind of feel that chapter in my life is still open and for some reason i feel like da'ing might close that chapter but i'm not entirely sure.

  im not df either, when i left i basically faded and disappeared.

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  @Chook

  In another thread you spoke of grabbing the biggest sword and swinging like buggery in relation to severing ties with JW'ism! I loved that. I wish I had the circumstances/balls to do it.
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  Is disassociating worth the hassle?

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been out now for 6 years but lately i have been giving some thought to da.

  i just kind of feel that chapter in my life is still open and for some reason i feel like da'ing might close that chapter but i'm not entirely sure.

  im not df either, when i left i basically faded and disappeared.

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  freddo

  Blues Brother makes perhaps the most important point. Any family/old contacts that you don't care whether they shun you or not?

  If you do decide to DA then why not email/write to anyone you know about the dangers of being a JW? (Child Abuse/money grabbing/false dates etc.)
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  New type study for inactive ones now?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  of course, conducting a "bible" study (actually a wts publication study) with an inactive person who comes back is nothing new.

  i did so on occasion when i was in, or the boe would assign someone else to do so, especially if it was a sister.. however, i recently heard of this: during the course of the study the elders would go through a loyalty check of the person wanted to rejoin up by going through the baptismal questions again, just like they were a complete newbie.

  has anyone else heard of this?

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  @careful

  darkspilver has it spot on.

  Yes you offer a BS to inactives (under the service committee's direction) but if it's been more than about six months inactive they get the loyalty test usually dressed up as loving concern and usually based on what an unbaptised publisher gets asked (not the full baptism Q's).

  However if Dave the drifter tells his study conductor he's done anything "serious" (ranging from smoking/bashing the bishop to porn etc. through celebrating Xmas/Hallowe'en and/or rogering half the University College cheerleading team all the way up to disbelieving 1914 was the start of the Gentile times or saying Stephen Lett acts and looks like a rubber faced clown) then he get's dealt with judicially and if "unrepentant" can find himself out on his ear with an unwanted DF around his neck.
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  Double speak of the Watchtower

  by never a jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sorry, this may have been covered ad nauseam before, but since it is blatant double speak of the watchtower, i felt it would be good to write a reminder of that.

  below is an extract where the watchtower makes an effort to point out to the royal commission that among their members there are professionals with higher education, such as doctors and lawyers.

  what they conveniently fail to mention is that the wt leadership repeatedly in writing and in approved public speeches discourages, even denigrate the pursuit of higher education.

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  @the almighty fanny.

  Seems you're not getting any. Boo Hoo.

  Your name describes yourself well.
  
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  Hilarious Radio Standup By An Ex-Witness

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  guys, you gotta check this out.

  she explains the whole religion in a very funny way.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07x6mf3#play.

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  Saename - Radio 4 (the BBC's flagship nationwide program) in the late morning will be routinely listened to by hundreds of thousands, maybe even a seven figure audience. (Some of their shows have reached ten million listeners) I believe if there are 1 in 400 witnesses in UK then that equals 2500 jw's would have at least started listening to the program.

  Radio 4 is the most "respectable" radio channel in the UK and is held in high esteem by many and is probably viewed as the "safest" radio program by JW's in general - equivalent to BBC 1 on the TV.

  How many would have continued listening I don't know but if a similar number of bible studies and "interested ones" tuned in - then all well and good.
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  Which Kingdom Hall Should They Sell? How Does The Governing Body Decide?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well what rule of thumb do you think these financial dim-wits dream up?

  i think those not sending in their money to the org are some of the first properties to unload while you spare the higher payers for last.

  you don't want to piss off the loyal contributers by making them miss meetings,, that's a no win situation so dump the free loaders as a negative asset and keep the more profitable ones.. and those who's loans the wt forgave, watch what happens if you're not send in those regular payments like before, and slack off by a significant amount.

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  @Jeff T

  Then add the impetus of when an organisation needs cashflow urgently ...

  And if at least half of those that are moved to another hall continue some contribution to the new hall then the financial projection being better if you sell the hall is a no brainer.
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  child abuse the Australian Royal Commission

  by zeb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

  the wt input is there toward the bottom of the page.

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  freddo

  Hi zeb, that's been there quite a while now. It makes for interesting reading and just shows how the WT "still doesn't get it".

  Compare it with the Senior Salvation Army officer's response video where he apologises unreservedly and promises change. (posted elsewhere on this forum, recently)

  Anyone know when the "finding" will be released? It will not be pretty for the Watchtower I'm sure.
  
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  Which Kingdom Hall Should They Sell? How Does The Governing Body Decide?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well what rule of thumb do you think these financial dim-wits dream up?

  i think those not sending in their money to the org are some of the first properties to unload while you spare the higher payers for last.

  you don't want to piss off the loyal contributers by making them miss meetings,, that's a no win situation so dump the free loaders as a negative asset and keep the more profitable ones.. and those who's loans the wt forgave, watch what happens if you're not send in those regular payments like before, and slack off by a significant amount.

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  freddo

  In descending order -

  1. Which hall will make the most £/$ on the sale.

  2. Which hall is a "money pit" as in falling apart.

  3. Which Cong(s) have too much in their bank accounts which we can raid.

  4. Which Cong(s) donate very little.

  5. Which Cong(s) are struggling. (low elders, troublemakers, low numbers, older aging members)

  6. Fairly easy for remaining dubs to go to a "nearby" hall