Posts by freddo

it looks like these attacks in europe are going from weekly, to daily, it literally gives me chills to think about traveling to europe with my family.

that is very unfortunate.

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freddo

Europeans are "used to it".

Not wishing to be rude but American non-servicemen have had it "soft" until 9/11 - let me explain. And frankly the Brits have not had it as tough as the Europeans.

Two generations before mine we had WW1. Northern France and Belgium were quagmires of death and destruction as was what is modern day Poland on the German/Russian front. Paris was shelled by the Germans, London and the East coast of England were bombed by Zeppelins. For the first time civilians were involved. The USA civilians had no such terror. Even their entry into the war came two an a half to nearly three years after it kicked off.

In the generation before mine we had WW2. European civilains stuck in the middle like never before plus the Holocaust. France decimated again; UK blitzed as far west as Plymouth, Belfast, Bristol, Cardiff and Liverpool. London got V1 and V2 weapons fired at them just after the Luftwaffe went on the back foot. Germany bombed flat. Russia and Poland utterly devastated as far as Moscow and Stalingrad. Italy rolled back as the US and UK pushed the Nazis back over two years.

Spain had its civil war just before WW2 and Greece had its civil war just after.

1950's through 1980's Europe is getting used to the idea that if WW3 kicks off they will be in the path of the USSR and any retaliatory action; nuclear weapons hang heavily.

Now let me swing to the UK.

Late 60's through late 90's - the ever present threat of the IRA and to a lesser extent the UDA response. Bombs going off in Northern Ireland, London, Manchester, Bristol.

Then suddenly we get 9/11. America wakes up. and since then it has been Muslim extremists at the fore. 7/7 in London 2005 then France seems to be at the forefront and now it is North West Europe once again.

We are "used to it" - have been for 100 years - it doesn't occur to me not to go to Europe due to terrorism. I've been to France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Hungary, Switzerland - Mediterranean islands. Again it would not even occur to me not to go anywhere in Europe due to terrorism.

Going wider afield ... A JW elder in 2005 said to me "I wouldn't go to Bali - they had a bomb out there!" (referring to an incident in 2002 where over 200 were killed by Muslim extremists)

I sat in the hotel lobby of a Balinese hotel sipping pina colada watching one of these new-fangled flat screen TV's as the 7/7 bombings of London were reported.

All my life I have gone to London - school trips - Museum trips with my kids and now myself. Weekends away. Stop overs waiting for aeroplane journeys.

It doesn't occur to me to not go about my daily activities due to terrorism.

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Favorite/least favorite CO's and DO's

by HereIgo in

i posted this thread sometime last year but thought i would revive it due to the new ones on the board, and to change things up a bit.

my favorite?

bro murikami, from hawaii, very humble, kind bro.

freddo

Kenneth Williams?

"Ooooh Matron!"

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What "Rules" Did The Elders In Your KH Make?

by minimus in

jw
friends

some congregations were known as liberal and others were considered very conservative.

back in the 1970s a nearby congregation made all speakers who gave public talks a white shirt to wear.

if a speaker came in wearing anything but white they were brought into the library and were given a white shirt!

freddo

And this is supposed to be a punishment?? How so?

If you go to meetings it is mind-numbingly boring if you aren't a ceiling touching "answer every other paragraph" nutter.

So doing the mics means you stay awake, get a little exercise, catch the eye of likeminded bored people and catch a glimpse of the attractive sisters' shaplier parts.

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What Happens If the JW Beard Policy Stumbles a Person

by Cold Steel in

some of the videos on youtube really make the beard policy look ridiculous.

i wondered what would happen if the jw beard policy caused someone to stumble?

jesus most likely wore a beard, and charles taze russell had a beard.

freddo

Just gotta suckitupbuttercup.

Psalm 119 v 165 is occasionally twisted and applied.

The riposte is Leviticus 19 v 27.

And round it goes ...

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Surprise Elders Visit

by Tight Pants Twinkle Toes in

hello community!

quick background - baptized 1971, 46 years in the borg, former elder.

wife - baptized 1973, pioneer...... we became disgusted with the oranization 10 years ago but still believed it was the truth.

freddo

If you can be bothered and you don't want df'ing then using Job 6 v 3 (wild talk) and James 3 v 2 (no one is so perfect as to not stumble in word) you could explain the pressures of life might have caused "someone" to misinterpret what you said.

But my guess is the Genie is out the bottle!

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Surprise Elders Visit

by Tight Pants Twinkle Toes in

hello community!

quick background - baptized 1971, 46 years in the borg, former elder.

wife - baptized 1973, pioneer...... we became disgusted with the oranization 10 years ago but still believed it was the truth.

freddo

With apostasy they should only go judicial after a second admonition according to their elder book.

The WT ref is this:

*** w88 4/15 p. 27 par. 5 Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit ***

"The same was to occur with apostates, such as Hymenaeus: “As for a man that promotes a sect, reject him after a first and a second admonition;"

However the definition is quite narrow as in promoting a sect.

The time gap makes me think they have consulted the CO or the Branch Office who have said go back and give it a go to ~~snatch you out of the fire~~ cover their backs.

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The Alliances for Constitutional Sex Offenders Laws

by John Davis in

i was listening to the news today and heard of this organization.

it advocates for the removal of sex offenders registries or at least the reduction of its use and who has to register for it.

just one example of its work is to advocate for what the la district attorney's office is doing by working with sex offenders to get their names off the registry.

freddo

The last sentence in their manifesto makes me wonder why "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" ...

But I do think that consensual sex between "normal" (as in one of them is not vulnerable mentally) teenagers in the 15 - 19 age range who are up to only a couple of years apart - has a different flavour than grooming and abuse.

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The denial of 1975 when and how did they go about it.

by Crazyguy in

i was pretty young in 1975, all i remember was a few complaining at the hall after and those at the door that razed us over it.

does anyone remember how they went about denying it and when this started.

i do remember a scripture in psalms about people being mighty and living longer so this was used.

freddo

And as the 1970's progressed into the 1980's we all "knew" that "the generation" was getting along in years and so subconsciously 1975 mattered less.

Then in 1984 we had the elderly bethelites depicted on the front cover of the May 15th 1984 WT with the proclamation of "1914 - The Generation That Will Not Pass Away."

With comments such as the preaching work being completed in our 20th century (then changed on the CD-Rom) and this doozy from the 1971 "Know Jehovah" book. - still to be found on the 2014 CD-Rom.

*** kj chap. 12 p. 216 par. 9 “Until He Comes Who Has the Legal Right” ***

Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom.

We were like the frog in the pan - warmed to boiling over 20 years. Then in 1995 it all came crashing down and now Armageddon overlaps and drifts but is of course imminent!