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  New data movement this is what I see as their goals .

  by Crazyguy in

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  after listening to the leaked videos this is what i think it’s all about.

  first i don’t believe they will want to much personal information ie bank accounts etc do to potential legal problems down the road.

  what i think is their goal is once all publishers are in the data base they then have no need for written information about any issue concerning a publisher and how issues are handled by elders and the branch etc... this information now is in their own data base and can be deleted or manipulated by them at any time.

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  freddo

  I think Dreary has it right.

  I think of my mother-in-law - a witness for 45 years who never officially did more than be a aux pioneer. Loads of solid sisters (in the very active jw sense in meetings ministry and cash/cheque donations) like her would have been on nothing except the local record cards.

  Mind you at the other end of the scale from the CO's, bethelites etc we would have 35,000 plus (in the USA) pedo individuals with accusations/confessions/on file wouldn't we? Plus all the DF'd, DA'd, reinstated.
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  Publisher ID: leaked video clip 2 of 4

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  "if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” ― george orwell, 1984 this video is leaked in interest of human dignity; you deserve to know who is keeping personal data and how they plan to expand their nets.

  open to your comments... https://youtu.be/xz1arhu0fg0

  [videos 1 to 4 leaked as own posts, with specific comments for each video].

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  freddo

  Err… Morpheus

  You said the S-77 would have no confidential info. Well – let’s begin with JUST question 1.

  Disfellowshipping

  [ ] Specify offence(s) for which disfellowshipped

  Did they confess?

  If no, what evidence …

  Disassociation

  [ ] Specify by what actions the individual disassociated himself.

  Now let’s go down to the first of the ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS …

  … … if anything of significance needs to be shared with the branch office do so in a separate letter.

  The individual would see nothing of how this form is completed by the judicial committee.
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  Memorial Attendance ???

  by Phizzy in

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  2. beliefs

  hi all, anybody any anecdotal or actual idea of how attendance numbers went this year ?.

  there are hints that it is well down, but is it ?

  and if it is, will the borg stop crowing about the attendance as they always have ?.

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  freddo

  I wonder if in the west it's partly due to the oldies dying off. We can only have our lives extended so far by modern medicine and good living conditions and the vulnerable housewives and the stalwart husbands who came in during the 1950's and 1960's as young (under 40) adults are hitting their 80's and 90's now.

  I know that in the three halls sharing in my neck of the woods that about nine oldies have died from last memorial to this one.

  And I reckon there are at least another 50 or so in their mid-late 70's upwards in the three congos. No one coming in either - birth rate virtually non existent!
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  What are the chances of getting another Raymond Franz default from head office ?

  by Chook in

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  all regimes get defectors and some are more vocal than others..

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  freddo

  Well Rudolf Hess left Hitler when the Nazis were at the top of their game in May 1941, so I suppose anything is possible.

  Doubt it though.
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  Selling off their London Properties.

  by Lost in the fog in

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  having sold off their brooklyn properties for $$$$ the watchtower society is doing the same thing with their properties in london, england.

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  http://ibsaproperty.com .

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  freddo

  4 bedroom houses that would sell for £300,000/£600,000 in other parts of the UK going for £1,000,000 and northwards.

  And that doesn't include all the apartment blocks, conference centres, office blocks.

  This will surely cover the cost of Chelmsford and then some!

  BUT STILL GOD NEEDS YOUR KINGDOM HALL AND YOUR MONEY!
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  Memorial Attendance ???

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi all, anybody any anecdotal or actual idea of how attendance numbers went this year ?.

  there are hints that it is well down, but is it ?

  and if it is, will the borg stop crowing about the attendance as they always have ?.

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  freddo

  Well anecdotally I can give you four results from the UK.

  My hall:

  Cong 1 - This year 74, last year 101

  Cong 2 - This year 98, last year 102

  Cong 3 - This year 111, last year 121 (used a rented hall)

  Another hall that an attendee told me about:

  This year 117 last year 124.

  So every hall was down and Cong 1 from my hall was a real outlier with a significant drop and no increase (in the other congs using the same hall) to compensate!
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  Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church

  by cofty in

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  the following is an extract from something i wrote 16 years ago soon after leaving the watchtower.

  i am posting it because it may help honest jws consider how far their beliefs are at odds with new testament christians.

  if they have "the truth" then their attitude to jesus ought to reflect that of the apostles.

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  freddo

  Bumped this thread! Because it's brilliant.

  Thanks to Cofty.
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  Meeting Days Felt Different?

  by pale.emperor in

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  2. experiences

  i dont know if it was the same for you, but for me when i was a jw meeting days seemed to have a black cloud hanging over them.

  on thursdays i knew i would be going to the meeting that evening.

  that i would be getting into my meeting clothes at 6:30pm, leaving the house at 6:55pm and be sat in the kingdom hall from 7:15pm-9pm, then milling around for about half an hour before finally getting home for 10pm.

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  freddo

  When you had a physical job - like a trade or cleaning. And you were physically tired mid week and especially on a warm day when you'd have to shower, shave and put on a bloody tie - even for the group if it was 70f/21c degrees plus outside.

  And it was the fucking Revelation book again and you were the group overseer and had to stick in the "new light" changes and you dragged your poor little kids along even though they had school the next day and you KNEW the seven trumpets of Revelation were NOTHING to do with CEDAR FUCKING POINT OHIO CONVENTIONS!

  What a shitty, foolish, idiotic, indoctrinated parent I was ...
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  Tight pants dilemma solved

  by rebel8 in

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  the principles that we glean from god’s word should move us to avoid wearing clothing that is tight-fitting, revealing, or sexually provocative.

  that would rule out wearing clothing that exposes or accentuates private parts of our anatomy.

  nobody should feel uncomfortable or forced to look the other way when seeing how we are dressed.

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  freddo

  stuck said ... "And of course, back when baggy trousers were in fashion, we as young brothers were told off for "following the trends and fashions of the world"

  So, a JW just cant win!"

  
  

  That's Madness! It just Suggs.

  British at it's best! Especially the chorus from 1:55.

  https://youtu.be/XJOLwy7un3U
  
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  Oregon: JW sexual abuse suspect arrested

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.kptv.com/story/37498850/sheriff-jehovahs-witness-sexual-abuse-suspect-arrested-in-clackamas-co. .

  sheriff: jehovah's witness sexual abuse suspect arrested in clackamas co.. posted: feb 13, 2018 5:39 pm cstupdated: feb 13, 2018 6:21 pm cst.

  by fox 12 staff.

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  freddo

  Well done Liz D! And you are most welcome here.