Sure! I think that's a big step forward in fact! Better than so many people who are merely religious and not spiritual at all.
Posts by wavvy
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Think of JW 's as Victims Instead of Enemies ? They get Conditional Love
by flipper ini have to give credit for this thread where credit is due- to the poster black sheep who used this expression in an answer on another thread recently.
" black sheep.. perhaps the leaders of the wt society are not victims - they are the ones handing out the mind control to the rank & file - ( i know some differ as to whether the leaders are victims as well ) - however that is not the purpose of debate on this thread.. the rank and file jehovah's witness members are trained to have relationships based on " conditions of obedience and membership ".
notice this quote from steve hassan's " releasing the bonds - empowering people to think for themselves " on the last paragraph of his introduction .
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wavvy
lovely mr. flipper! Thanks... it's easy to get caught up in 'poor me' thinking, just focusing on the idea of ourselves as victims. Of course we were, but we are the lucky ones now. We've come to our senses and escaped. Good to try and move on from the bitterness of that and be able to demonstrate some unconditional love to those who are still trapped.
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Leaving Jehovah's Witnesses is a Negative, Depressing Thing To Do, but....
by AllTimeJeff inover the years since i left jehovahs witnesses, one of the more fascinating things to observe, and really to me, the most important, is what to do after you leave.. to be sure, no one leaves because of a positive experience.
and therein lies the issues with leaving.
basically, people leave in three general ways: 1. they, like myself, resign or leave due to a disagreement.
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Hey Jeff, I always love your posts for their down-to-earth wisdom. There's no doubt that leaving the dubs can be a painful experience. However, I'm not sure that I'm prepared to agree with your statement that leaving in any of those three ways is always a negative. For those of us who have lived in doubt and forced ourselves to live a life that just wasnt us, leaving is a blast of fresh air. The pain came before. The pain was in living that way, not in leaving.
I also do believe there is a 4th option as several others have commented. I am a 'fader', however, I refuse to pretend even to family and friends that I am still a JW. Neither do I rub it in their face. I simply avoid any conversation on that topic. I don't want to be disfellowshipped because I don't want to make things difficult for my family, however, I don't pretend to be anything I am not. Any JW relatives or friends who are uncomfortable with that are no longer a part of my circle. In effect I have d'fd them! The truth is, most of them don't want me disfellowshipped either. They would rather turn a blind eye to my non-Witness lifestyle than lose my friendship.
I am inspired by the example of some other relatives of mine who have also faded. They were quite vocally apostate for some time trying to convince everyone else to get out. Then they realised the pain this was causing and so just went quiet on the topic. Now nobody in the family raises the topic with them, because they know their stand and don't want it brought to a head that might lead to disfellowshipping. If these relatives of mine are asked by some unsuspecting JW which congregation they are in, they say unapologetically, 'we belong to a congregation all of our own'.
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death unnatural?? whats with that?
by wavvy inmy mother, like all the dubs, excels at dropping casual sentences here and there designed to suck me back into the borg.... her latest subtle (not) attempt to use my father's death as the drawing card was to send an sms saying only: "death is so unnatural".. of course i remember all those public talks, so i know exactly where she's coming from: we were made to live forever so no wonder death is so painful for us to deal with.. but honestly, what planet are they on????
death unnatural?
on the planet earth death is the most natural thing ever!
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Hey Purza! Maybe we do have the same mum! If not, just let me know if you need a spare!
But seriously, is it any wonder they are afraid of death when they believe it comes from Satan?
Love that quote from Job, Leolaia. There is some wisdom in there despite the twisted interpretations people come up with.
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death unnatural?? whats with that?
by wavvy inmy mother, like all the dubs, excels at dropping casual sentences here and there designed to suck me back into the borg.... her latest subtle (not) attempt to use my father's death as the drawing card was to send an sms saying only: "death is so unnatural".. of course i remember all those public talks, so i know exactly where she's coming from: we were made to live forever so no wonder death is so painful for us to deal with.. but honestly, what planet are they on????
death unnatural?
on the planet earth death is the most natural thing ever!
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Thanks White Dove! That is a big comfort to me too.
It's horrible really, how the loss of somebody you love dearly is yet another excuse for emotional blackmail to these people...
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death unnatural?? whats with that?
by wavvy inmy mother, like all the dubs, excels at dropping casual sentences here and there designed to suck me back into the borg.... her latest subtle (not) attempt to use my father's death as the drawing card was to send an sms saying only: "death is so unnatural".. of course i remember all those public talks, so i know exactly where she's coming from: we were made to live forever so no wonder death is so painful for us to deal with.. but honestly, what planet are they on????
death unnatural?
on the planet earth death is the most natural thing ever!
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But why should it be only for humans that death wasn't meant to be? Did Satan introduce all death? Including that of plants and aniamls? We are a part of the natural world around us, why shouldn't it be as natural for us as it is for every other living thing? Doesn't make sense to me...
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death unnatural?? whats with that?
by wavvy inmy mother, like all the dubs, excels at dropping casual sentences here and there designed to suck me back into the borg.... her latest subtle (not) attempt to use my father's death as the drawing card was to send an sms saying only: "death is so unnatural".. of course i remember all those public talks, so i know exactly where she's coming from: we were made to live forever so no wonder death is so painful for us to deal with.. but honestly, what planet are they on????
death unnatural?
on the planet earth death is the most natural thing ever!
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My mother, like all the dubs, excels at dropping casual sentences here and there designed to suck me back into the borg...
Her latest subtle (not) attempt to use my father's death as the drawing card was to send an SMS saying only: "death is so unnatural".
Of course I remember all those public talks, so I know exactly where she's coming from: we were made to live forever so no wonder death is so painful for us to deal with.
But honestly, what planet are they on???? Death unnatural? On the planet earth death is the most natural thing ever! It is an inherent part of the life cycle! Plants and animals must die daily in order to sustain our lives. A seed must die in the earth in order that the plant can germinate. All things die in order to feed the cycle of life. Personally, I find this thought much more comforting... Death is painful merely because we miss those who are no longer with us. But it is a natural and inevitable part of life.\
Little does she know... with every casually dropped preach-bomb, she opens my eyes wider and wider to the ludicrousy of it all.
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To Current and Former Elders
by Styxx ini wanted to say a few things to current and former elders.
it was really a post by alltimejeff on 10/1/2009 that got me thinking about this and i address a few things that he says here.
but i dont want to single him out because i really think that he is typical of many, and he did in fact apologize for his actions at the end of his post.
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And then these young, inexperienced men are given the responsibility of counselling people with marriage problems, mental health problems....
The organisation creates mini-Hitlers out of innocent young men. It's like the Hitler Youth brigades, and I have the greatest respect for any who are strong enough to eventually escape the brainwashing and admit their mistakes.
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THE REVELATION, ITS GRAND CLIMAX AT HAND"
by maputo95 indo you have the revelation, its grand climax at hand" book"?
it is a fascinating book backed up throughout with scriptures will open your eyes but you must read it from beginning to end.. the above is a quote from my jw friend, inactive for 30 years and thinking of sheepishly returning.
is the book cited above a scholarly and dependable commentary on revelation?.
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the pictures make great tattoos though!
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Battered Wife Sydrome : The Borg as abuser, the disaffected believer? The abused wife.
by gubberningbody insortof like this, only sleazier.
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try leaving and see if the local goon squad doesn't come on like this..
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Ooh yeah! And if you happen to be unlucky enough to have the two rolled into one: an abusive husband who happen to be an elder... just like the sleaze in the clip only he also thinks he has the god-given right to keep you in line...
I believe that the Borg gives birth to abuse in many forms.