Posts by awildflower

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A Demon Experience?......This was/is very serious to me.

by awildflower in

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so when we moved here from maine to okc, six years ago this coming april, my daughter was 7. the military moved us so it brings a big moving truck to your house and unloads all of your stuff etc.

we had been settling in for a few months and my daughter starting telling me that she was hearing things in her room.

small things at first, just enough to prick up her ears.

awildflower

Scotsman, then whay did my daughter have those awful thoughts if it was NOT demons doing it?

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The Rise of the Conscious Class

by truthseeker in

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"i believe in one god, and no more; and i hope for happiness beyond this life.

i believe the equality of man, and i believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.

but, lest it should be supposed that i believe many other things in addition to these, i shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things i do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.

awildflower

Very well written! And I am so glad for this "class" that they have forums like this to express themselves freely. Bottling that stuff inside is what causes physical illnesses and that is not good! I really enjoyed this

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A Demon Experience?......This was/is very serious to me.

by awildflower in

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so when we moved here from maine to okc, six years ago this coming april, my daughter was 7. the military moved us so it brings a big moving truck to your house and unloads all of your stuff etc.

we had been settling in for a few months and my daughter starting telling me that she was hearing things in her room.

small things at first, just enough to prick up her ears.

awildflower

Thanks for your responses so far. I would love to write the experience off as "stress" or over exposure to the subject (as we all know that's all the jw's ever focus on!). But I can't. I'm a very logic, real, nothing dramatic about me kind of person. Let's just say that if I still believe in demon activity (and at this point I'm not sure what I believe) it's because of this experience. It was just so out of character for all of us and it just felt different. Maybe that's how bad energy feels?

Yellow, It's good to know I'm not alone!

We have all since of course moved on from this but I always wonder about it especially now that I'm coming away from a belief system. Before I believed it was demon activity, now if it's not that, I wonder what it was. I honestly don't think my daughter could have just come up with this stuff on her own. It just wasn't her..........wf

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A Demon Experience?......This was/is very serious to me.

by awildflower in

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so when we moved here from maine to okc, six years ago this coming april, my daughter was 7. the military moved us so it brings a big moving truck to your house and unloads all of your stuff etc.

we had been settling in for a few months and my daughter starting telling me that she was hearing things in her room.

small things at first, just enough to prick up her ears.

awildflower

So when we moved here from Maine to Okc, six years ago this coming April, my daughter was 7. The military moved us so it brings a big moving truck to your house and unloads all of your stuff etc. We had been settling in for a few months and my daughter starting telling me that she was hearing things in her room. Small things at first, just enough to prick up her ears. Then she started to say really disturbing things like, "I want to have sex with Satan", and dark things like that. Now I know what some might be thinking, but this was NOT may daughter she was saying things that at her age she had never even heard before. I'm not saying she was possessed but something evil seemed to be disturbing her thoughts. At first I didn't even think along the lines of Satan or evil, I just thought because of the move we are all a little stressed and in fact I used to get very angry at her for saying things like that. As very active jw's that was a complete no no. But it was sad because she didn't WANT to say those things, she just had those thoughts and she was trying to get help from me.

Well things progress through the months and she was starting to get more freaked out. She said someone was calling her name in her room and I just dismissed it (why? I don't know, but it pains me to this day) and would tell her to go back to bed. Well then I noticed that all of us were on edge and fighting and stuff. Fast forward.......it gets to the point where it clicks with me that my daughter is somehow being harassed by demons so I go to one of the elders in the hall for help. He told us to see if there was anything in the house that was new or different that we didn't have before. Well because of the strict jw that I was I knew already that I didn't have books or movies of that sort of obvious thing so I start thinking. Then I remembered when the movers unloaded our stuff, they unloaded a twin mattress that wasn't ours. That happens a lot in the military moves. I didn't really questioned it, in fact I needed an extra twin mattress for my daughters bunk bed so that's where it ended up and it's the one she was sleeping on every night. (To this day I don't know why I would have even thought of keeping something that wasn't mine) The day we were trying to figure out what might have been causing the problem, my husband and I at the same time concluded this mattress. So the elder comes over loads the thing up and throws it out. Then all of that stuff stopped. My daughter went back to her normal self and it's like that whole thing never happened.

Here's the thing: I'm a huge skeptic! Even as a jw I wasn't freaked out about Satan or demons or anything although I did follow the wt rules on that kind of thing. But when I look back on it now, all I can say in all seriousness is our experience was real and it was devastating at the time. Other things happened to all of us that just was not in our character either. So my question now is, What was that? Now that I've been away from the org I have books and movies that would have been considered demonic in the org, my daughter reads a ton of vampire books and she loves movies that creep her out and nothing! No "demon" activity, every thing is fine. Are there demons? Is there really evil? I'm leaning toward statements like "bad energy" instead. This has bothered me for a long time and would like some serious help and answers with it. All I know for sure is that it happened but I can't explain it.

So if it's now Satan then what was it? Any ideas?.............wf

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There is life after Jehovahs Witnesses

by James_Slash in

i've been a member on this site for a number of years but i have never posted what i really think of the jw's and the org.. i left about 10 years ago - mentally.

but i have only made the long term decision to leave and never go back over the past 2-3 years.. it was difficult.

i have family and many friends who i still converse with on a regular basis.. being on the outside now i see what a major farce and a hypocritical state of affairs it all really is.. i often hear the comment "only people in the truth are really happy" and being a friend 'on the outside' many of my associates on the inside are far to easy to reveal exactly what they get up to when they are not at meetings or out knocking doors.. pre-marital sex, drunkenness, nightclubs, dating websites...the list goes on and on.

awildflower

My last jw friend up until a couple of months ago, and I had this conversation. I told him he was a hypocrite in this organization and that the only reason he could live the active jw life that he was living was because he gave himself these outs like drinking and bars and partying etc......I told him if he lived the org like I did, squeaky clean, he wouldn't be able to maintain it the rest of his life like I couldn't. His answer was that Jehovah knows his heart and he asks for forgiveness every day for the sins he thinks he commits. WTF? So I asked him if he told his Bible students that they could live this way too? That they could go in service and show up at the meetings but still live the life they wanted to only now in secret? He didn't know how to answer that. I told him I thought the lifestyle he was living was actually quite normal for a 40 year old man that there was nothing wrong with him wanting to party or date etc.......but there is something wrong with preaching and acting something different and then hiding that other life. I say to him, what's to hide? If he weren't a jw, he would look like any normal guy! Needless-to-say that conversation opened my eyes to even more jw bs, and we are no longer friends. I want real, authentic people in my life.......wf

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Satan Takes a Trip

by Farkel in

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jehovah ushers satan into his presence.. jehovah: "listen satan, the thousand year reign is just about up, and according to the bible, i've gotta let you go back to earth and tempt the people, so you'd better go down and see what's happening before you get to work.

damn.

i wished i had picked another book to endorse besides that bible.

awildflower

I NEVER thought about actual life in the wt Paradise before! Thanks Farkel for enlightening me. This was hilarious!

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Belated Introduction

by LittleSister in

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first i must apologise for not posting an intro before and for the length of my intro, once you start it just keeps pouring out.

i grew up in what the jw org likes to call a divided home.

my mother had become a jw a few years before and was raising her 4 children of which i was the youngest in the truth.

awildflower

I didn't just know what I was reading was right I felt it. It was like my instincts all along had been screaming this is wrong and now I could listen to them.

I like how you said that. Our intuition is so powerful. In fact that's how a gage things now, how they make me feel not how something is written or said. I never felt more free being out either. It was like breathing fresh air for the first time. Welcome to the site and I'm so glad your kids are not going to have to endure the control of the wt org. Good job!....wf

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My world has come to an end.

by is there help out there in

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my name is o`mar p. clark.

i was born and raised a jw.

awildflower

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Where is God when the Haitians needed him?

by AK - Jeff in

perhaps a hundred-thousand dead.

millions affected.. how many prayed in vain to stop the quaking, keep a loved one from dying, or for saftey?

all disregarded, all ignored.. he either doesn't care, is dead, or never was.

awildflower

I'm confused about this to. Here's my thought as a parent: IF there is a God and It had the power to prevent bad things from happening, why would It NOT? Therefore, because these horrible things happen, I must conclude there is no God. Idk, I'm confused to........wf

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Get your kids involved with Haiti........

by awildflower in

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so my 13 year old daughter and i have been watching the news all day about haiti.

because i've been talking about it since it happened she is now asking questions.

so today we talked and i made sure she saw on tv the map of where haiti is and how difficult this is going to be and is for relief efforts due to it being on a island etc..........then i saw where you could safely text a ten dollar donation.

awildflower

I guess this really was a good idea! CNN was talking all about how texting has been a big hit for donations especially among the young! Because they love to text! One 17 year old e-mailed CNN and said they never really knew how to donate before but now he does because of texting. Just so cool that the kids are involved. Makes me feel good ........wf