I heard him in 1983. He gave the main talk in the dedication of the new bethel at the time in Ajalvir, Spain. I was in Bilbao. Main cities in Spain were connected with Madrid to be able to hear all these layers.
Posts by torre
-
62How Many Personally Heard F. W. Franz Speak?
by snowbird ini believe i did in 1974, but i was just coming into the org and didn't realize the significance of the part he played.. it was a sunday at a stadium on the campus of the university of alabama in tuscaloosa.
all the "friends" were almost beside themselves with excitement, so looking back, it must have been f. w. franz!.
i'd worked until 6 pm that saturday night, had a one year old teething child, and had to arise at 3 am to get ready for the bus trip.. when we arrived, the weather had turned colder, the stadium was quite warm, and i fell asleep a few minutes into the talk.
-
-
-
31
Edward Dunlap: Testimony on Bethel In 1979
by sacolton ini would like for dorothy "betty" dunlap to listen to this, but i need them to be .mp3 or .wav files.
.
i can't convert realaudio files to a audio cd.. could someone help me?.
-
-
torre
As Ray Franz wrote in one of his books (In search of ...) when Ed Dunlap was disfellowshiped went back to his homeland in Oklahoma. His brother who at that time was JW and city overseer there was disfellowshiped as well, because he employed his brother.
-
39
Hello there...
by IronHill inhello everyone.... honestly i dont know how to start my first post.
i have been an avid reader of jwd for some time now, and now have decided to say hello.
i was raised as a witness, and have been baptized for 17 years.
-
-
torre
Wellcome
-
-
-
torre
Thanks Spike Tassel
Yes, He's the man.
I knew the info you posted from Freeminds. However he still was in a high position at that time. Any updated info about him nowadays?
-
5
C.O. clarification question
by tresdecu ini read on another thread something about c.o.s going down to one visit per year.
is this speculation?
...or has new infor come to light?.
-
-
torre
The same subject was posted in same Spanish forums and blogs more than a year ago. If true...still to come. At the moment seems to be just speculation/
-
-
-
torre
Hi All
A few years ago was told that the former branch overseer in Italy (Farnetti) had been kick out from Bethel and sent out. Till now I haven't been able to know anything else about the truth of this. The last thing I heard was that he was sent as a special pioneer somewhere in Italy.
Otherwise, he was one of the heavyweights in Europe who did visits as a zone overseer. He visited Spain in 1988 and seemed to be rigid business man.
Anyone know something else about the issues around this old timer JW???????
-
-
-
-
34
Some things really ticked me off at the meeting last night...
by wantarevolution in...aside from the snooze fest that was the "bible study", taken by a brother who was 5 minutes late - went 10 minutes over and obiously hadn't prepared shit for the meeting (this is the same brother that "encouraged" me to be 15 minutes early for all meetings to welcome people).
1) i had the no3 talk, about "christians helping the poor", no source material or anything.
i played it good, spoke about our duty to be good christians, and charitable to everyone, and how it is a conscience matter as to how we donate our money or charitable deeds.i even used a quote by mother theresa.
-
-
-
-
torre
Hi all,
In my personal reading I came across with this anecdote:
It was the beginning of my third year in Rome. So I was now a “senior”, getting by in all the languages. Because of my past history I had been entrusted with the post of Nursing Brother for the university- a delicate job that demanded tact and gentle touch.
There was always someone under treatment: my room double as a surgery, and every day I saw colleagues lining up for injections. Abbots passing through Rome, priests, students: they all came to present their posteriors to the unpitying needle.
So it was that one day I saw a Swiss student come in. I had already noticed his reticence, reclusiveness almost. He handed me a prescription without a word:
“Penicillin. 3,000,000 units a day, intra-muscular.”
Clear enough. I looked up at him, and he burst into sobs. Distraught, racket with choking fits, the poor lad told me his story.
He had been very young when he entered his snow-girt abbey.
Never had anyone talked to him about sex there. (I know, I know…) Since his arrival in Rome he had lived as a martyr:
“It becomes all hard, you understand, and I don’t know how to deal with this thing that burns me between the legs… I’ve talked about it to my confessor here, and all he said to me is: ‘Sublimate, Brother, sublimate!’ But what can I do with ‘it’?”
The inevitable had happened. Alas for him, he had come across an infected girl. He had not got much pleasure from her, but had contracted syphilis, which for him was a stamp of shame, the end of his world.
I dried his tears. No, he was not damned; no, his days were not over. He had encountered life, that was all, and had become a man. Of course, I would keep it a complete secret; nobody would know anything. I was holding his life in my hands.
For ten days I administered massive doses of antibiotics to him, for which he showed low tolerance. To his moral anguish was added real physical pain, of which I must be the only witness. Our injection appointments were also therapy sessions: I soothed him, helped him to see his future, assured him that God condemned him no more than I did.
He recovered and resumed his academic work. The following year he returned to his abbey in Switzerland. At Christmas I received a box of chocolates, without a message. Afterwards I learnt that the had become Father Master, a well-merited appointment. I, alone, knew that he was sure to be a better novice master than others. His painful adventure evoked respect, not blame.
(“Prisoner of God” pages 166, 167 by Michel Benoît)
Michel Benoît, in 1962, entered in the Benedictine Order as a monk. After more than 20 years in the monastic order he left the order and eventually quit from the Catholic Church.
I wanted to share this because it could had happened in any of the JW Bethel home. The same struggles, do not matter what religion one belong to.
I remember in 1998 or so, when in the spanish branch the international construction was calling at its end. Some "healthy and spiritual" lads were invited to become a permanent members of the Bethel "family".
One of them, broke down when appointed. He confess that had been visiting a prostitute on his visits to Madrid. After that, he had to leave Bethel within 24 hours.
After years, this lad got married and became father. In his case I think his experience from the past in sexual matters would help him to understand the issues of the youth.
-
28
Spanish JW's Upset Over Bethel Move
by Gary1914 inon april 1, 2009 a letter was sent from the governing body of jehovahs witnesses to congregations in spain informing them that the printing, shipping, and storage of watchtower publications would be discontinued at the madrid branch office.
the letter expressed confidence that the spanish witnesses would, despite the move, continue to generously support the world wide work and ends with an appeal to remain united under the direction of the witness leadership.. at a glance, this story may seem like a non-issue, perhaps, just another example of reorganization and consolidation within a multinational corporation; however, the dissolution of the printing branch has caused considerable hard feelings among some of jehovahs witnesses in spain.
to understand the reason we must first look at the history behind the branch office and external factors that some feel prompted this abrupt move.. early in their history, jehovahs witnesses began printing their trademark watchtower magazines and associated books and tracts in-house at their bethel headquarters in brooklyn, new york.
-
-
torre
As some of you know 70 out of 200 bethelites in Spain got a letter two weeks ago saying that they hadve to be made redandance. 40 of them were lucky and have been sent to the special pioneering work. These ones have been in Bethel for two and three decades, which mean that they are in their fifties and above. Among them is Eduardo Palau, a former member of the Branch Commitee and former Galaadite. He was fired as a member of the Branch Commitee in 1998 when he married with a sister 40 years younger than him at the time. He now is about 78/80 years old. A plain-mind old-timer.
This is the beggining of the end for many as the Branch is going to be around 50 members.