broadcast by colorado public tv.
this speaks volumes about how blatantly our government lies to us.
if this is true, and it really does appear that it is, how can we trust government to tell us the truth about anything?sorry, you'll have to copy and paste to your search bar.... http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138.
Broadcast by Colorado Public TV. This speaks volumes about how blatantly our government lies to us. If this is true, and it really does appear that it is, how can we trust government to tell us the truth about anything?Sorry, you'll have to copy and paste to your search bar...
http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138
chapstick
now i know this forum has already touched on this topic many times but i'm coming at this from a personal angle.
as i've said on this forum before, my wife is an active jw and has been getting more and more active while trying to indoctrinate my 21 year old son, who still lives at home and is not working but is going to a community college.
my wife takes him and my 7 years old daughter to some meetings and conventions.
Jehovah's Witnesses (not Russell's Bible Student Movement) along with modern day Mormonism and other similar religions were started by the British-Israel Society and the Fabian Society in Great Britan operating through the Church of England. The Jehovah's Witnesses in the US, along with other in the US and Europe were intentionally set up and funded by the British Crown in order to dumb down and subdue the masses in an ongoing effort to maintain the age old the divide between the European Monarchy and the ruling elite over the masses of "useless eaters" and vermin as described by Prince Phillip (ex-Nazi), his Queen and the World Conservation Society. The Jehovah's Witnesses fit the bill perfectly due to their compliant and unquestioning obediance to authority and the fact that the elite globalists were continuing their multi-generational effort to establish a single world power or "New World Order" with the loss of all borders, a single military and an elite ruling class. Much discussion also took place about exerting a negative influence on the primary education system of the time by teaching only what was necessary to perform manual labor as well as twisting and changing fundamental facts about the historical record. A huge portion of the pre-15th century historical record was expunged, altered or ignored in the history books. Social Darwinism (as opposed to Darwinism), materialism, Kensian economics, Eugenics and the rejection of mans inate spiritual nature became the order of the day. Notice how Jehovah's Witnesses are nearly devoid of any mystical or spiritual ritual that is commonly enjoyed by most religions. This can actually be partially documented in the 1894 minutes of the United States Banking Assn. where they openly admitted not only this but their plans to cause a series of great depressions in the United States, starting three years from that date. The purpose was to foreclose on as many farms and acreage as they could. They had predicted 80% of the farms west of the Mississippi would be taken during the depression and they actually did take nearly 50% of them! The great depression of 1897 started exactly 3 years later to the day. They gained almost complete financial control of the United States in 1933 when they required all of the countries gold reserves as well as all personal gold as collateral on loans to survive the great depression of 1929. The Federal Reserve Banking system and the British Crown are the real power behind the coutries of Europe as well as the United States, including most of the fundamentalist protestant religions...
The minutes of that meeting are available in the National Archives...
chapstick
jehovah's witnesses do not break up families.
members who refuse to become or remain jehovah's witnesses... break up families.. really, you apostates have such a distorted perception of reality.. .
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You're so right irondork they never initiate the breakups. They just make things so miserable for normal people that the destruction of the family is a small price to pay for peace and realism...
chapstick
monday, october 22, 2012raleigh city council votes in secret to give jehovahs witnesses $150,000posted by will huntsberry@willhuntsberry on mon, oct 22, 2012 at 1:07 pmits typical for two affable jehovahs witnesses in oversized business suits to make the neighborhood rounds, knocking on doors.
but what about when the whole organization comes knocking at city hall?.
earlier this month, the raleigh city council voted behind closed to doors to give the jehovahs witnesses $150,000 to hold their annual convention in the pnc arena next year.
It’s typical for two affable Jehovah’s Witnesses in oversized business suits to make the neighborhood rounds, knocking on doors. But what about when the whole organization comes knocking at City Hall?
Earlier this month, the Raleigh City Council voted behind closed to doors to give the Jehovah’s Witnesses $150,000 to hold their annual convention in the PNC arena next year. It shouldn’t be a surprise. Since 2008, Raleigh has given $875,000 to the religious group for that gathering.
The City Council subsidizes the event—the money actually goes to PNC arena—because it brings millions of dollars to hotels and restaurants and hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax revenue to the city.
But giving money to a religious group behind closed doors also calls into question two of the most fundamental concepts in the United States’ Constitution: the separation of church and state and that government should not conduct its business in secret.
“It’s no different than any other group that asks,” argues Mayor Nancy McFarlane. “We have groups all the time that bring large multi-day conventions that are going to spend millions of dollars in the community. Would I discriminate against them by saying I’m not even going to consider it because you’re a religious group?”
Many think yes.
“This seems like a plain violation of the separation of church and state and the Constitution,” says Alex Luchenitser of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, based in Washington, D.C.. “Government can’t fund religious meetings.”
The establishment clause is the section of the Constitution, which guarantees the separation of church and state. Luchenitser says, “It has always been interpreted as preventing government funds from supporting religious activities or events.”
But funding religion for economic impact reasons is not uncommon. In Kentucky, for instance, owners of a creationist museum are set to receive millions in subsidies from state government to build a Christian-based theme park.
The economics of the decision for Raleigh to subsidize the Jehovah’s Witnesses convention are sound. In 2011, the city invested $150,000 and reaped $300,000 in tax revenue from hotel and food and beverage tax, according to Greater Raleigh Convention and Visitors Bureau (GRCVB) records. That’s not accounting for the millions raked in by Raleigh hotels and restaurants.
But Luchenitser says the fact that a convention makes money simply shouldn’t enter into it. “You can’t ask the taxpayer to support a religious belief they don’t hold,” he says.
While it’s uncommon for the city to subsidize any convention—it has never allocated money to another religious event—the practice of city tax dollars going toward religious groups extends far beyond City Hall.
The convention bureau frequently allocates tax dollars levied by Raleigh and Wake County to groups of all kinds who wish to rent out the Raleigh Convention Center. To date that has included a Catholic group, Baptists, AME Zion, the United Methodist Church and Lutherans, just to name a few, according to one official with the bureau.
Since the Jehovah’s Witnesses convention brings in roughly 22,000 people over two weekends, it’s too big to fit in the convention center. That’s why the City Council handled the economic incentive, instead of GRCVB.
“The bottom line, if the group meets the strict funding criteria and contracts hotels rooms with our hotel partners while generating direct economic impact … we are open to possibly assisting regardless of the group type,” says Loren Gold of the convention bureau.
The councilors’ decision to discuss and vote on giving the money to the Jehovah’s Witnesses in a closed session meeting, not open to the public or reporters, is also questionable.
It relies on a piece of public meeting law that allows closed sessions to discuss bringing new business to an area through economic incentive. Closed sessions are allowed “to discuss matters relating to the location or expansion of industries or other businesses,” the statute reads.
The council invoked similar privilege when providing economic incentive to technology companies Red Hat and Citrix to locate their businesses downtown.
That justification doesn’t hold water for Amanda Martin, who specializes in media law as the North Carolina Press Association’s general counsel.
"I know of no basis under the open meetings law to have a discussion like this in closed session,” she wrote to the Indy. “The exemption that permits discussion of business location or expansion was not intended to be used in a generic way to discuss things that might bring more commerce to the City."
City Attorney Thomas McCormick was out of the country at the time this article was published and unavailable for comment.
Going forward, Luchenitser says his group will be asking the city to discontinue its funding of the Jehovah’s Witnesses convention and reverse its recent decision.
After speaking with an Indy reporter, the American Civil Liberties Union of North Carolina also said it plans to monitor the situation.
"Any time the government makes taxpayers help foot the bill for a private religious gathering, there are obvious constitutional concerns,” wrote Chris Brook, legal director of ACLU-NC in an email. “Instances like this all too easily create an impression that the government is endorsing the religious event in question and doing so on the taxpayers' dime.”
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I am a huge proponent of the separation of church and state, however...
It seems to me that the separation of church and state is only being violated if:
a) religious groups are being given preferential treatment
b) religious groups are being denied the same treatment given other groups.
If it truly is common to give subsidize groups to attract business to the area, then the important thing is not necessarily the identity of the group, but the criteria being used to determine if a group will bring enough business, and to make sure that criteria is used uniformly across all groups that apply.
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@Margaret Schultz. You offer proof that Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth by saying Jesus Christ returned in 1914? As surely as "the emperor has no clothes," you have been convinced of something that did not happen. The truth: Christ is not invisible in a secret place ruling through the Watchtower Society Mt. 25:23, "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
As to your answer on brainwashing: the brainwashed individual is the last to know about it, otherwise she/she wouldn't be brainwashed.
You talk about charity. Really, Margaret, think about what you said. How can you call JWs charitable when they refuse to help anyone who is not a Jehovah's Witness? You don't care for the sick, cloth the naked, feed the hungry, visit those in prison." Those who do not these acts of charity, Jesus said, would be cast into everlasting fire.
I'm aware, Margaret, that you don't realize it, but you lie. You lie because the Watchtower has taught you to lie, even to lie to yourself, saying, "I don't lie." The Watchtower's doctrine concerning Christ qualifies for "antichrist." Look it up.
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1914 - ...was a megahit. We hit the 'year', the 'season' (autumn, due to calculating from the autumn of 607 BCE) and the 'event'. (the first horseman, Jesus invisible global arrival, marked by the second horseman - global war) (Mount of Olives speach a parallel) Armageddon will commence before 'earth' succumbs to man.
Blood - 'One blood transfusion infected all of Mr Paul Michael Glaziers family with deadly AIDS. That's only 'one' harmful bug of many. (a screamin hint of what's in the denial file) Also, the body has to recover from the liquid foreign tissue, stealing healing power and focus at a very critical time. No wonder statistics show
much faster and better recovery with non blood or no blood procedures
Brainwashing - History shows we have sidestepped this unhealthy mob phenomenon all through the years.
Charity - Though we are very charitable in many ways, we spearhead only 'one'. It's the one that the head of our congregation, Jesus Christ, has commissioned the Christian congregation with. I can't help but appreciate the relief work of both the Red Cross and the Salvation Army, but we can't lend our money to certain activities we don't condone other than the relief work. (Blood - Red Cross, Teachings - Salvation Army) Tough one. (Yes I would let these help me, due to I can be more selective of what I condone. I know, tough one)
report 2 likes, 7 dislikes like dislike Posted by Margaret Schultz on 10/24/2012 at 1:42 AM 
"the money actually goes to PNC arena" .......... please note, it goes to a public facility and is a pocket book decision. Nothing religious or underhanded about sound economics.
report 2 likes, 5 dislikes like dislike Posted by Neil Smith on 10/23/2012 at 11:28 PM
@Jerry Coats; You did well in defending the Watchtower without resorting to name-calling. It is apparent that you are an intelligent, thoughtful man, and no doubt sincere in your belief in the WTS. I propose that you can be absolutely convinced something is true when in reality it is absolutely false. Take for example the followers of Jim Jones who poisoned their children and committed suicide at his command. You look at the results of their devotion and see murder and infaticide.Look at the result of the WTS's dictim on blood transfusions: 250,000+ have died. Would you be afraid to read my book, Rescuing Slaves of the Watchtower? If you read it if I gave it to you? If not, why not? Wouldn't you get into serious trouble with the elders of your congregation and the Society hierarchy in New York?
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Posted by Joe B. Hewitt on 10/23/2012 at 9:36 PM
although i was born into the wts i haven't been involved in it for decades, i do have a personal prediction based on about 6.56% of the societies doctrines, decades of meditation, crazy women, drug abuse and bible stories that i memorized in my childhood.
here goes: the great tribulation and armageddon (which started with the first shots fired from syria into turkey last month), a physical ascention for a few, the shocking appearance of great signs and wonders in the sky and the disclosure that aliens were/are our ancestors who colonized the planet will take place in the next weeks to such a degree that will be undeniable to everyone.
the economic and political collapse of the western democracies and the opening of literal, newly found scrolls (one set under the right paw of the sphinx) will be on everyones mind and they will reveal the truth about religion and the dirty laundry of nearly every political and religious figure on the planet both now and in the past; it will be the most shocking disclosure of criminality, genocide and debauchery that has ever taken place on this planet.
Although I was born into the WTS I haven't been involved in it for decades, I do have a personal prediction based on about 6.56% of the societies doctrines, decades of meditation, crazy women, drug abuse and Bible stories that I memorized in my childhood. Here goes: The great tribulation and Armageddon (which started with the first shots fired from Syria into Turkey last month), a physical ascention for a few, the shocking appearance of great signs and wonders in the sky and the disclosure that aliens were/are our ancestors who colonized the planet will take place in the next weeks to such a degree that will be undeniable to everyone. The economic and political collapse of the Western democracies and the opening of literal, newly found scrolls (one set under the right paw of the Sphinx) will be on everyones mind and they will reveal the truth about religion and the dirty laundry of nearly every political and religious figure on the planet both now and in the past; it will be the most shocking disclosure of criminality, genocide and debauchery that has ever taken place on this planet. The truth about reincarnation, immortality, the "devil", creation and human-kinds place and purpose in the universe will be made known and Charles Russell will be exonerated. The lies, ignorance and deceit perpetrated on nearly everyone about the nature of God and our relationship with Him/Her and their children will be revealed to all who survive the coming world wide civil war (tribulation). The facts, as well as the lies about the evolutionary process (Darwinism (true) vs. Social Darwinism (false)) will be made abundantly clear to everyone who survives the war. The truth about the US, British and Israeli government complicity and planning of 9/11 and Oklahoma attacks, the British monarchy's involvement in the Lincoln, Garfield, Mckinley and John Kennedy murders as well as the pre-planning of the US civil war, the first and second world wars, the great depression and all wars since. The JW prophecy about the exposure of religion will happen and be written in stone for all to see. For the survivors of the war rewards will far outweigh anything they ever imagined. Although one will have to be the lowest scum among scum to be entirely annihilated there will be quite a few who fit the bill. There will also be a faction who hate the very concept of a sovereign over them especially a "God" or "gods". They will be provided an isolated planet of their own, however the technology will be limited to a pre-WW1 industrial base and a highly restrictive passport system that allows only one visit annually to relatives on earth under the strictest supervision. If you die or are injured before, during or after the process you'll only have to wait a month or so for your new body to be grown from your stem cells and DNA or your personal information in the akashic records. Race will be optional and they may even be allowed to change their sex if they wish. The last thing to be addressed will be the identity of the Sons and Daughters of God (the elect), the identity of an "antichrist" and a real "Christ". All of this will be accomplished well within the laws of physics in this particular universe.
Any wagers that this isn't true? (I'm taking 100 to 1)
chapstick
i never believed that in 1975 or by the end of the 20th century, we would see the great tribulation occur.
some witnesses would listen to fred franz' talks where he clearly told his audience that 1975 was the end of 6000 years and the beginning of the jubilee....or something like that.. was there something that you never truly accepted that you were supposed to believe as a jehovah's witness?.
The flood story (after turning 16)
Only "true" religion
Most of humanity to be destroyed
Non-immortality of the soul
Need to NOT think independently
Masturbation unnatural
Oral sex unnatural
Depiction of ancient Israelite piety
etc. etc.
this is no joke folks, these sob's are going after us all right now!!
get mad!!!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstydla.
This is no joke folks, These SOB's are going after us ALL right NOW!! GET MAD!!!
challenge me on this.
challenge yourself on this.
can you, personally, handle the truth?.
OK, here's a prime example of cognitive dissonence. If anyone who is an unabiding Romney supporter and watches this PBS newscast, and has a mind for truth they would be cognitively dissonent if they continued to support him or vote for him, period. This is no different than a Jehovah's Witness who is either to lazy to watch it, poo-poos evidence as propaganda or pornography or refuses to believe it when they do see it. How are the two not different?
www.domocracynow.org/2012/8/30/matt_taibbi_the_secret_to_mitt
chappy
I just keep splashing away...
challenge me on this.
challenge yourself on this.
can you, personally, handle the truth?.
Cognitive Dissonance: Having the charactoristic of holding two diametriclly opposed concepts (ie: life after death vs no life after death) at the same time yet appearing and seeming normal...
or is that not a good question to ask because bethel will read it and use the information somehow?.
i am still curious though.. bf.
Well, I know Beth and EL, and yes they're both watching...
