Thanks for posting that information caliber. What's the difference between rejecting the spirit's message about Jesus and speaking "a word against" him?
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What does it mean to sin against the spirit?
by keyser soze inthis was always one of the most confusing and troubling doctrines when i was a jw.
i heard the phrase many times, but it was never adequately explained what it meant.
i often wondered if i had committed such a sin, and if i could really not be forgiven.. how does one know if they have sinned against the holy spirit?
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Trained Conscience?
by bluecanary inspike tassel mentioned having a properly trained conscience on another thread.
he and anyone else are welcome to share their thoughts here.. .
'bible-trained conscience' is a phrase we all used as witnesses.
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Wow, thanks for the really thorough reply VoidEater! Very interesting stuff.
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What does it mean to sin against the spirit?
by keyser soze inthis was always one of the most confusing and troubling doctrines when i was a jw.
i heard the phrase many times, but it was never adequately explained what it meant.
i often wondered if i had committed such a sin, and if i could really not be forgiven.. how does one know if they have sinned against the holy spirit?
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That's a really interesting POV, Wobble. Thanks for sharing. Do you think a person, such as Paul, knows it's the holy spirit? The miracles that happened to Paul were pretty obvious but how about a modern day person? Would that make a difference?
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Lack of education does not = stupid.
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[endif] in combatting cult mind control, steve hassan writes:.
in principle, i am against banning cults from college campuses unless they expressly violate rules of conduct that every student organization is expected to follow.
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bluecanary
I'm all for tax reform. I don't think other people's bad choices should be funded by you. I'm also all for protecting the life of a child even if it conflicts with a parent's beliefs. Informed adults may still choose to reject life-saving surgery. Children cannot make that decision. As far as being parented by people with wacky beliefs---shrug. I'm frustrated by it too, but not much can be done about that. Everyone's belief is wacky to someone else.
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Lack of education does not = stupid.
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[endif] in combatting cult mind control, steve hassan writes:.
in principle, i am against banning cults from college campuses unless they expressly violate rules of conduct that every student organization is expected to follow.
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bluecanary
I absolutely agree that individual colleges should have the say of what they allow on their campus. It worries me when the government makes blanket rules. I do think that people have the right to make poor decisions. They also have the right to make informed decisions. Smoking/driving without a seatbelt/eating bacon/riding a motorcycle may be risky behaviors and have the possiblity of shortening my life. I want to know the risks. But it is my right to take the risks if I so choose.
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Weird stuff individuals believe
by bluecanary inthis thread doesn't just have to be about jws.
it's about the weird stuff that isn't taught by the religion, but an individual believes it.
my examples:.
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bluecanary
No argument there, Spike. No argument there.
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Trained Conscience?
by bluecanary inspike tassel mentioned having a properly trained conscience on another thread.
he and anyone else are welcome to share their thoughts here.. .
'bible-trained conscience' is a phrase we all used as witnesses.
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Spike Tassel mentioned having a properly trained conscience on another thread. He and anyone else are welcome to share their thoughts here.
'Bible-trained conscience' is a phrase we all used as witnesses. I looked up the definition of conscience, which is:
1. the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action
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2. the complex of ethical and moral principles that controls or inhibits the actions or thoughts of an individual.
The first definition indicates that our conscience naturally impels from within, rather than be compelled from outside ourselves. The second definition leaves it open to include principles that may be imposed from without.
This may be semantics.
Do you think the conscience is merely our natural moral compass, without any influence, positive or negative, from outside ourselves? Or do you think the conscience includes learned morals? Obviously people have learned morals, but do you think that is a separate issue from the conscience? Is the conscience capable of being trained or do we merely layer other moral or ethical concepts on top of it? If your conscience tells you something different than the moral code you've chosen to follow, how do you decide which is right?
If you are a believer in creation, are our consciences reliable? If yes, than why are people who commit evil acts not tormented about it? If no, than why did God create a faulty moral compass? -
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I had to make a decision
by journey-on inwhen i first faded from jws, i didn't know for sure whether it was the truth or not.
being raised in it, it is not so easy to abandon the years of indoctrination.
then, one day i decided: sh*t or get off the pot.
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bluecanary
Pleasure talking with you about it, Spike
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Black people will be white in the new system
by bluecanary inone of the more ridiculous and offensive things the wts has ever taught and that is saying a lot.. i know i saw a link to this article sometime in the last two weeks but i've lost it!
can anyone direct me to this article?.
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Dude, how did I forget that this thread existed? Thanks everyone for your responses.
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What does it mean to sin against the spirit?
by keyser soze inthis was always one of the most confusing and troubling doctrines when i was a jw.
i heard the phrase many times, but it was never adequately explained what it meant.
i often wondered if i had committed such a sin, and if i could really not be forgiven.. how does one know if they have sinned against the holy spirit?
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Thanks for asking this Keyser. I just read this Scripture the other day and was reminded that I never understood it:
Matthew 12:31, 32 CHSB: "Because of this, I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blaspemy, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the one to come."
Why is blasphemy against Jesus ok, but not the HS? Is abbreviating the HS blasphemy?
If sinning against the spirit is such a big deal, you'd think you'd be given more detail on what not to do.