You might also try getting a copy of the Idiot's Guide to Zen Living. It'll teach you about meditation and how to calm and peaceful in your life. Completely compatible with all religions.
bluecanary
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Back Again about Disfellowshipment.... Please Help!!
by Butterflyleia85 inok so i'm doing alot better by going on this website and message board... everyone is so incouraging and wise!
i'm really happy but struggling.. i look at this website and i am down again..... http://www.watchtower.org/e/19880415/article_01.htm.
if someone can pick at this and help me deal with being disfellowshiped please do so.... i know alot of you are going to be like duh will don't go to jw website or stay away from it.
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What should I say to the Mormons?
by bluecanary inyesterday as i was leaving the apartment, there were two women in skirts, holding bibles at the door across from me.
i almost panicked!
i definitely want to talk the jws if they ever come to my door (no one knows me in this area) but i'm not ready yet!.
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bluecanary
I've posted this question on a Mormon site here and gotten some good responses. I now intend to do some more reading about ex-Mormons, particularly life stories, just because it's fascinating how similar our experiences are. Plus their board lets you have avatars and a signature. Simon, the ex-LDS are making you look bad.
I've already stated my reasons for talking to the Mormons. And I told them up front that I'm not interested in converting so if they feel like it's a waste of their time not to bother. If they want to talk to me anyway, that's their business. I have nothing to convert them to. I just want to provide a little thought fodder for their use at a later time.
This was one suggestion given me on the LDS site:
Talk about what you know best. Mind control.
I think you talk about how you have been abused by your faith and allow to connect the dots to their own mind control clan. Tell them how creepy it is to hear JWs teach young children to bear witness that the JW religion is the one true church. Ask them if Mormons do that. Mormons put three year old kids in front of the pulpit at church and feed them words of how the church is the only true church. Tell them how creepy it is that JWs don't allow outsiders into some of their ceremonies and completely excommunicate dissidents. Then ask them who gets to attend a temple marriage.
There is an analogous manipulation to every manipulation you encountered as a JW. Mormons have dozens of practices that separate them from the rest of the world and the primary purpose of these practices is to separate them from the rest of society. You can't leave the church if think society is a totally foreign place. JW's do this but use different practices. You couldn't celebrate holidays as a mechanism to separate God's chosen from Satan's minions. Mormons don't drink coffee and wear magic underwear for the same reason. It separates us from the rest of the goats.
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We went to the meeting last night...
by cognac inwe rarely go.
but, we went because hubby wanted to tell the elders we are switching halls.. at first, i thought to myself that i would go out back with her when she gets fussy.
but, my baby doesn't really get fussy a lot so i just took her out back and played with her as she laughed hysterically.
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bluecanary
angel, have you been to a meeting recently? Parents are told that Timothy learned the scriptures from infancy and so should their babies. Children, no matter how young, should sit still and be quiet, listening to the speakers. If your baby makes any noise, you will be escourted to the back room.
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what did you study?? Do you think it should be longer.....?
by angel eyes inwhat publication did you study and how long was the study for??.
when i came in you were only allowed 6months, i didnt even get that lol...but was baptised after 5months.
it was so fast but i was ready for baptism.
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I studied the Live Forever book with my mother. I don't remember how long. I was 11/12 years old at the time. Children have no business being baptized when they are held accountable for it.
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Dont shoot me!!
by angel eyes inok here we go...im going to put my head on the chopping board (so to speak).
i only came on here to meet new people and have chats etc...yes i am a jw and do love jah.....but im also just an average person who im pretty sure many of you would get on with if we had the time to chat about other things too.... i think some want me to go....sad but yes true.....if you all want me to go then i'll do that..im fine with it as i just want to please people...... i know jb and some say they want to go to my elders,and honestly im fine with that but surely if someone is threatening then they clearly dont want me on here...... time to go???????
or as big brother would say "who goes...you decide"?
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bluecanary
Yeah, I think he was trying to respond to pjschipper.
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Question for Faders.....
by lepermessiah indid you all start getting the "full court press" from "friends" to start doing more things socially as you began your fade?.
i havent been invited to do a whole lot the last few months, but now all of a sudden i am getting phone calls and invites to do things.
fortunately, it hasnt been - "hey lets go out in field service" or anything like that since i would tell them to take a hike (which at this point means make myself busy at work or otherwise) .
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bluecanary
It's possible the invites are genuine. I didn't fade (I just fell off the face of the earth) so I didn't directly experience this, but here's what I did experience: In one hall, I was very often excluded from the activities of my peers. I was an uberwitness at the time and I couldn't understand why they did this. My brother, OTOH, was very popular. Now that I'm out, I've found out from him that, even though these people were definitely JW believers, they were a lot more liberal than I was. I would have pitched a fit at some of their activities and attitudes. If I relaxed my strict adherence to the WTS, I probably would have been invited to a lot more.
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What should I say to the Mormons?
by bluecanary inyesterday as i was leaving the apartment, there were two women in skirts, holding bibles at the door across from me.
i almost panicked!
i definitely want to talk the jws if they ever come to my door (no one knows me in this area) but i'm not ready yet!.
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Thanks for the responses guys. Lilith, I've seen that JW site; I didn't know there was a Mormon version. Unfortunately, it's from a Christian perspective, which I am not. It doesn't matter to me whether or not Mormons follow the Bible because I don't hold the Bible as an authority. What matters is whether they're a cult. I've read Combatting Cult Mind Control and I've got access to Steve Hassan's list of questions to determine if something is a cult. Reading ex-Mormon sites shows an incredibly close parallel with JWs, regardless of disparity between their particular beliefs.
We've had threads here before about going to doors as JWs and someone sparking our thinking that something is not right with our religion. Even if it doesn't produce immediate change, that spark can stay with someone and later help them to leave. This may be such an encounter for these girls.
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New JW email doing the rounds. Barf buckets on standby!
by nicolaou ini'm pasting this here as i received it, formatting and grammatical errors included .
this is beautiful!.
subject: isaiah 41:10. .
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bluecanary
When the authorities see that the boy has no scars whatsoever from any supposed "alligator" but is covered in scars from his mother, they will take him away and put him in a better home. The only abuse comes from the WTS.
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What should I say to the Mormons?
by bluecanary inyesterday as i was leaving the apartment, there were two women in skirts, holding bibles at the door across from me.
i almost panicked!
i definitely want to talk the jws if they ever come to my door (no one knows me in this area) but i'm not ready yet!.
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Thanks for the vid, Stephen. I thought the Mormons were wack jobs when I was a JW and my opinion hasn't changed. I have no interest in selling my freedom to another group of men. My goal is to be polite and let them do the talking, but direct it in such a way that maybe they'll realize they have no basis for what they're selling.
I just want to be honest and say that from what I know of the Mormon religion, it sounds like a Joseph Smith set up a scam to give himself a lot of power. I'll ask what them to offer me evidence that that isn't so.
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What should I say to the Mormons?
by bluecanary inyesterday as i was leaving the apartment, there were two women in skirts, holding bibles at the door across from me.
i almost panicked!
i definitely want to talk the jws if they ever come to my door (no one knows me in this area) but i'm not ready yet!.
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bluecanary
I found this page on the stuff Mormon's won't tell you right away. There's not much to grab onto. It seems like piddiddly stuff, but it's really interesting because it gives me insight into exactly what the witnesses must look like to newcomers. To them, being told that what the witnesses teach about 1919 is a big deal must sound the way this sounds to my ears:
The "First Vision" story in the form presented to you was unknown until 1838, eighteen years after its alleged occurrence and almost ten years after Smith had begun his missionary efforts. The oldest (but quite different) version of the vision is in Smith's own handwriting, dating from about 1832 (still at least eleven years afterwards), and says that only one personage, Jesus Christ, appeared to him. It also mentions nothing about a revival. It also contradicts the later account as to whether Smith had already decided that no church was true. Still a third version of this event is recorded as a recollection in Smith's diary, fifteen years after the alleged vision, where one unidentified "personage" appeared, then another, with a message implying that neither was the Son. They were accompanied by many "angels," which are not mentioned in the official version you have been told about. Which version is correct, if any? Why was this event, now said by the church to be so important, unknown for so long?
I think this kind of stuff only has meaning to believers and ex-believers.