This reminds me of the story of my father, who was secretary. He told me that the elders at the local elder meetings were so divided, so they were swearing and cursing each other!
Unbelievable, but true.
Gorbatchov
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I walked out of an Elder's Meeting
by AlmightyDog inwell here goes... i apologize in advance if this turns into a long and disjointed rant, but i just have to begin typing in order to keep from exploding.
i realize that what im about to say could seriously jeopardize my anonymity, but i think ive reached the point that i just dont care.
i want this to be over.. let me explain what caused me to rip up a letter and get up and walk out in the middle of an elders meeting two weekends ago.. our boe has been embroiled in a nasty fight for the past 2 years over a certain brothers business dealings.
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S-303 form used by Circuit Overseers
by Marvin Shilmer ins-303 form 1988 .
today i uploaded to my blog a new article detailing the information watchtower has historically asked circuit overseers to gather during their bi-annual visits to congregations of jehovahs witnesses.
the article is titled s-303 form 1988 and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/05/s-303-form-1988.html.
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Gorbatchov
It's clear a "how many" business corporation. They love numbers!
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The Infamous May 15th 1984 Watchtower "1914: The Generation That Will Not Pass Away"
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i do not know how the blogger who posted this infamous wt cover (5/15/84) got all the names of those who posed for this magazine cover, or whether the names are even correct, but if he got it right, man, what a provocative statement.. .
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Gorbatchov
Great posting, great image!
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Voting.
by s0rt3d ini do feel kinda silly since this is something most people do anyway, you know, it's a regular, ordinary thing to do.... there's the av referendum and the local elections in england.
i went out this morning and voted.
it felt so good to have a say, to make my 'voice' heard!
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Gorbatchov
I'm still a JW and voted this year for the first time for the parliament in the Netherlands!! For the first time in my life.
I voted on the local railroad station (and looked behind my shoulders a few times!!!)
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Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing
by metatron inin today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.
these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?
do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.
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Gorbatchov
Lady Viola,
I did not mean that there are no DF's here, but in The Netherlands most of the family stay in contact with the DF-fellow.
I see it happen in the congregations and know also that the youth here is very liberal!
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Today's WT Study Stupidity About Df'ing
by metatron inin today's watchtower study, towards the end, you had one of those typical comments by a former df'ed witness expressing appreciation for being shunned.
these comments always remind me of a stalinist show trial in which the accused enthusiastically accepts being executed for the greater good (probably to save his family).. after this kind of nonsense is expressed, you will get a flurry of self righteous comments emphasizing how important it is to shun your disfellowshipped relatives, so that they can come back in the "truth".. oh, really?
do any of these people raising their hand realize that, if the "success" of disfellowshipping depends on your shunning, then the "repentant" person is "coming back in the truth" for the sake of their relatives -and not because of fearing jehovah !!!???.
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Gorbatchov
Anouny Mouse, a great posting. I was with my little children in the kitchen of the kingdomhall and heard everything from a safe distance.
It is all shit.
Many, many of the JW's in the Netherlands don't DF their family. We are here very liberal. We hate DF.
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Number One False Blogger, and adding comments
by Marvin Shilmer inwatchtower says: .
what is involved in avoiding false teachers?
... we also refuse to ... add our comments to their blogs.
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Gorbatchov
Right!
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Alert: Witch hunt begins Watchtower 15 july 2011
by Gorbatchov inreading the posts about the 2011-7-15 watchtower about mentally retarded apostates i foresee the following scenario:.
1. congregational elders trying to get grip on non regular publishers and inactive witnesses.. 2. the good ones read in the watchtower that apostates are to find in the local congregation.
3. inactives like me (i hate this name, but i use their language), and liberal witness like me, will be hunted, .
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Gorbatchov
Reading the posts about the 2011-7-15 Watchtower about mentally retarded apostates I foresee the following scenario:
1. Congregational elders trying to get grip on non regular publishers and inactive witnesses.
2. The Good Ones read in the Watchtower that apostates are to find in the local congregation
3. Inactives like me (i hate this name, but i use their language), and liberal witness like me, will be hunted,
because they are mentally retarded.
THE WITCH HUNT BEGINS IN SEPTEMBER, when the magazine has been on the watchtower study.
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'Separate the wheat from the chaff' in 2011
by Gorbatchov inthe april 2011 pioneer action of 30 hours is a kind of 'separate the wheat from the chaff'.. think about it: 40 percent of our congregation is pioneering.
the other half of the congregation has something to explain.... i don't report hours for years.
although i'm not "too sensitive" it feels like "standing fully outside the group".
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Gorbatchov
The april 2011 pioneer action of 30 hours is a kind of ' Separate the wheat from the chaff'.
Think about it: 40 percent of our congregation is pioneering. The other half of the congregation has something to explain...
I don't report hours for years. Although i'm not "too sensitive" it feels like "standing fully outside the group".
Maybe this feeling is a right perception of what I am, "standing fully outside the group".
But this "drifting apart" by this arrangement it is still confronting to me and opposite of Christian love.
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Japanese situation
by Gorbatchov inis the current situation in japan the scenario that our watchtower leaders dream about?
i don't want to be a part of a religion that loves a big armageddon.
i can not believe that if there is a loving god, he wants to punish humans this way.
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Gorbatchov
Is the current situation in Japan the scenario that our Watchtower leaders dream about? I don't want to be a part of a religion that loves a big Armageddon. I can not believe that if there is a loving God, he wants to punish humans this way. It is very very cruel.
But I'm still a JW... A cynical believer who strongly condemns the doctrine of his long time family believe (4th generation). Summary: I don't believe anymore, but attends meetings for remaining the family structure...